2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2806626 3-Nov-2021 10:55

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Medically, no, we were not, are not even close to prepared for Delta.

In your opinion.

And that of every single medical professional I know.

Delta is everywhere, we were pretty much delaying the inevitable. We had the template of every other country that had Delta before us, to model on, eventually, no matter what, it was arriving here and spreading.

We have, and are continuing to make things up as we go along, often reinventing the wheel.

We don't have vaccine certificates ready, despite knowing we would likely use them in the very early part of this year, and the list goes on and on. It's no longer OK for people to be saying 'oh we have never done this before and the situation keeps changing'

People can work off known quantities and a clear plan. At this stage, the plan should be set and minor details should be adjusted according to changing situations.

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#2806627 3-Nov-2021 10:56

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This is getting really off topic but you do realise people from all parties do this even if they can trace their lineage back to Hawaiki. This is what should happen to a greater or lesser extent in a representative Parliament. Trying to draw a bow between a Steve Bannon acolyte is way more that a stretch.

I wasn't talking of people's genetic lineage; I was referring to first-gen recent migrants, as was Rikkitic. So I think there is a very direct link between these people and the pseudo-journalist at the conference. You only need to look at a certain MP's use of his parliamentary pass to protest against an official overseas visitor to parliament for a good example.

I agree thought this is off topic so I'll leave it there

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#2806628 3-Nov-2021 10:57

networkn:

We don't have vaccine certificates ready, despite knowing we would likely use them in the very early part of this year, and the list goes on and on. It's no longer OK for people to be saying 'oh we have never done this before and the situation keeps changing'

People can work off known quantities and a clear plan. At this stage, the plan should be set and minor details should be adjusted according to changing situations.

As recently as August there were comments from senior MPs that we didn't need vaccine certificates, here we are basically waiting around for them.

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#2806630 3-Nov-2021 11:02

Interesting Piece in Stuff today on why delaying the opening up by a few days until the Reff is <1 is good.
You would have to say that the delay of a week in Auckland is in the aim of getting the Reff as low as possible by allowing more vaccinations to be done.

Also compares Auckland to the situation in NSW and VIC.

The article does not end up stating an opinion on when Auckland should ease restriction.
It just claims to be glad it is not their call as Auckland must be sick of lockdown, and has done hard yards in getting a high vaccination coverage - but the Science clearly shows why delaying can be very good.

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#2806633 3-Nov-2021 11:04

I don't understand why the vaccine certificates are so hard to implement. You can already log into the web site and see your vaccination details, so surely the 'certificate' is just the same information presented slightly differently?

I know that they need to implement a tool for venue organisers to check the validity of vaccine certificates, but I can't see why that would be difficult either.

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#2806638 3-Nov-2021 11:08

GV27:

networkn:

We don't have vaccine certificates ready, despite knowing we would likely use them in the very early part of this year, and the list goes on and on. It's no longer OK for people to be saying 'oh we have never done this before and the situation keeps changing'

People can work off known quantities and a clear plan. At this stage, the plan should be set and minor details should be adjusted according to changing situations.

As recently as August there were comments from senior MPs that we didn't need vaccine certificates, here we are basically waiting around for them.

Apparently, it's OK to use paper ones in the meantime. I mean, seriously!? I mean, that isn't going to be abused at all, right? Right!? :)

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#2806640 3-Nov-2021 11:09

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Rikkitic:

Leave the party political out of this. I'm not talking about foreigners recruited as advisors or specialist experts, but self-invited butinskies who should either stay home or keep their mouths shut.

First, I wasn't being party-political; I raised a valid observation that if you want to look for foreign "buttinskies" then there are more obvious examples of the nutter at this press conference. This is very germane to point that you raised.

Second, nor am I talking about advisors or special experts, I'm talking about people who come to NZ from places such as Australia, Iran, Mexico and the USA to then become MPs and seem to have a primary function of telling us how badly their new home country is being run. If there are examples in other parties I'm very happy for these to be pointed out.

The Whangarei anti-vaxxer being American is relevant here due to his links to the US far right, including Steve Bannon.

American Shane Chafin from Counterspin Media asked Ardern to state the fatality rate for Covid-19 and then to name a woman who had “died from the Covid-19 vaccine”.

Counterspin Media is a New Zealand-based far-Right talk show that streams on GTV, a network founded by former Trump adviser Steve Bannon

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300444070/covid19-nz-jacinda-ardern-press-conference-in-northland-disrupted-by-anticovidvaccination-heckling

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#2806652 3-Nov-2021 11:55

Oh yay, just what we need here. How did this clown get into the press conference in the first place?

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#2806654 3-Nov-2021 11:59

GV27:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-schools-estimate-several-thousand-staff-are-vaccine-resistant/A2X3LHTRCNNFLTDRHV7BXZOVO4/

Any teacher knowingly presenting a false vaccine exemption should be instantly suspended and referred to the Teacher's Council.

It really worries me that the people that we trust with educating the next generation are susceptible to miss-information.

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#2806665 3-Nov-2021 12:18

quickymart:

Oh yay, just what we need here. How did this clown get into the press conference in the first place?

Put on a suit. Put on a lanyard.

Walk up to the public area where they were being held

Just like the lady holding the baby on the steps behind them screaming and the cars driving past. They had close police/DPS presence. But no immediate threat until he sparked off.

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#2806666 3-Nov-2021 12:19

quickymart:

Oh yay, just what we need here. How did this clown get into the press conference in the first place?

It's out in the open. We usually don't have these clowns here so we can do that here in NZ. I'd prefer we stay that way.

I'd like this to be a country where you can run into the PM out walking with their kid etc.

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#2806674 3-Nov-2021 12:33

networkn:

Medically, no, we were not, are not even close to prepared for Delta.

We have next to no negative pressure rooms in Auckland Hospitals, something that should have been in place in 2020, and won't be likely ready till early 2022. One tiny example.

Tauranga Hospital has shut down their Orthopaedic ward and is busy converting it into a C-19 ICU level ward with negative pressure rooms. How many rooms I do not know but the old ward took up half the top level (4) with the Kids ward next door via code locked doors. The kids ward has negative & positive pressure for immune compromised and infectious patients already.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2806676 3-Nov-2021 12:35

quickymart:

Oh yay, just what we need here. How did this clown get into the press conference in the first place?

hint: American accent

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#2806677 3-Nov-2021 12:41

My continuing thoughts and in here I am properly preaching to the converted.

Unfortunately the PM and her response team are between a rock and a hard place, morally and politically, and yes they have made mistakes, even Churchill made mistakes, but we are going to need and get deaths in the unvaccinated. She, the PM, is just such a nice person, that she will find these deaths difficult on a personal and political level and she will struggle at the podium but she will endure.

I am sick of all the whinges not taking responsibility for their own lives and that of their whanau and blaming the DHB's, the government and everyone else for not doing enough or spending enough, on getting the vaccines rolled out. If they can go and buy a packet of fags or a slab of beer, then they can go and get vaccinated.

As for the vaccine hesitant, look at the figures and the wider whanau who have been sick with C-19 because they were not vaccinated and listen and hear their stories.

As for the anti-vaxxers - what I truly think will be censored here but you get the idea.

Deaths, unfortunately, is what this country needs. Call it a fatal kick up the arse if you want but it is needed.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2806678 3-Nov-2021 12:44

FineWine:

networkn:

Medically, no, we were not, are not even close to prepared for Delta.

We have next to no negative pressure rooms in Auckland Hospitals, something that should have been in place in 2020, and won't be likely ready till early 2022. One tiny example.

Tauranga Hospital has shut down their Orthopaedic ward and is busy converting it into a C-19 ICU level ward with negative pressure rooms. How many rooms I do not know but the old ward took up half the top level (4) with the Kids ward next door via code locked doors. The kids ward has negative & positive pressure for immune compromised and infectious patients already.

How much Covid is in Tauranga? We have it in Auckland and a serious shortage here.

Whangerei Hospital has buckets rooms for when it rains, and lifts that have expired and stop working randomly. Their master plan when they get overrun (an almost certainty) is to send patients to Auckland.

The thing that I think a lot of people fail to take into account regarding Covid and it's pressure on the medical resources we have, is it isn't JUST those people who have Covid who are affected, but all the people who will not have access to care they normally would, because wards are full of patients. If you have a cardiac event or stroke and can't get a room at a hospital, as a vaccinated person, and die because someone unvaccinated got to hospital before you, that's a fairly grim reality.

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