2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2810903 10-Nov-2021 22:48

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If it could be avoided so easily why hasn't it been anywhere in the world?

The same lobbying and selfish attitudes are not isolated to Aotearoa

More likely that it really isn’t that easily avoided.

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#2810929 11-Nov-2021 06:56

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More likely that it really isn’t that easily avoided.

I have read many statements and documents from true experts that the best avoidance methods don't include what we are embarking on which is simply repeating the mistakes of others.

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#2810930 11-Nov-2021 07:03

I think we will never agree on if we could have stamped it out and whether the govt was willing to get the army in to round up all the gangs.

If you recall everybody was compliant for a long time, but the govt let the gangs do what they want, the entire time, the underworld spread it, Tamaki protested, no action, and then the people saw that there was no point following instructions and here we are.

Could we? Well at the start yes. From the point of no action vs gangs and no action vs protests - a resounding no.

If you mean could we keep this ring fenced in AKL and shut them down while opening up the rest of the country? Well do you want to be voted back in by AKL in the next election or not?

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#2810939 11-Nov-2021 07:07

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I agree, but the public want out. The public seem to want a freedom policy not a health/economy policy.

Only the Auckland public.

There have been many protests outside of AKL

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#2810940 11-Nov-2021 07:11

MikeB4:
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More likely that it really isn’t that easily avoided.

I have read many statements and documents from true experts that the best avoidance methods don't include what we are embarking on which is simply repeating the mistakes of others.

Where have those true experts had success. It’s very easy to be an “expert” when you never have to implement anything.

Saying it’s easy or simple to stamp out Covid is farcical. It’s clearly not the case, anyone who has lived through an extended lockdown understands that.

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#2810942 11-Nov-2021 07:12

Batman:

If you recall everybody was compliant for a long time, but the govt let the gangs do what they want, the entire time, the underworld spread it,

Interesting theory

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#2810943 11-Nov-2021 07:13

We have circa 5million in Aotearoa, the protests have been in hundreds or a couple of thousand. It is a huge stretch to conclude the public want out.

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#2810945 11-Nov-2021 07:16

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Where have those true experts had success. It’s very easy to be an “expert” when you never have to implement anything.

Saying it’s easy or simple to stamp out Covid is farcical. It’s clearly not the case, anyone who has lived through an extended lockdown understands that.

Don't add words to what I wrote. I did NOT say it was simple to stamp out Covid.

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#2810946 11-Nov-2021 07:23

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We have circa 5million in Aotearoa, the protests have been in hundreds or a couple of thousand. It is a huge stretch to conclude the public want out.

In my experience I seem to know many that are anti vaxxers. Not violent, but nice people. I read that here too with others experiences. I get the feeling that there are a lot of people with that sentiment. While I take the Tamaki's of this world as a small but squeaky wheel, I just get the feeling the anti vax anti lockdown sentiment is quite wide. Purely annecdotal though

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#2810947 11-Nov-2021 07:27

The problem is Tamaki's garbage can have a much bigger impact with a virulent strain. Likewise the gangs.

The light touch has never worked with these people, why did we suddenly think they would fall into line all of a sudden?

If your entire response can be undone by predictable dickheads being dickheads then was it really that good in the first place?

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#2810948 11-Nov-2021 07:30

MikeB4:
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Where have those true experts had success. It’s very easy to be an “expert” when you never have to implement anything.

Saying it’s easy or simple to stamp out Covid is farcical. It’s clearly not the case, anyone who has lived through an extended lockdown understands that.

Don't add words to what I wrote. I did NOT say it was simple to stamp out Covid.

If it’s easy mustn’t it be simple?

It’s neither of those things. It’s impossible.

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#2810949 11-Nov-2021 07:35

The press, social media and online forums distort the metrics usually to meet an agenda. The Press in Aotearoa accentuate the negative constantly and push stories that meet their underlying beliefs. Aotearoa is not immune to what I will call the Fox News condition.

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#2810950 11-Nov-2021 07:41

Handle9:

If it’s easy mustn’t it be simple?

It’s neither of those things. It’s impossible.

Like I said distortion and agendas.

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#2810951 11-Nov-2021 07:44

As I said at the start we would have easily done it if you saw where the virus was and got the army in to get that last few spreaders.

But once you lost buy in, you had two options, open it up or don't get another term.

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#2810953 11-Nov-2021 07:57

MikeB4:

The press, social media and online forums distort the metrics usually to meet an agenda. The Press in Aotearoa accentuate the negative constantly and push stories that meet their underlying beliefs. Aotearoa is not immune to what I will call the Fox News condition.

If it weren't for some of our investigative journalists then our first lockdown would have been a hell of a lot longer.

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