2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2810964 11-Nov-2021 08:18

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MikeB4:

We have circa 5million in Aotearoa, the protests have been in hundreds or a couple of thousand. It is a huge stretch to conclude the public want out.

In my experience I seem to know many that are anti vaxxers. Not violent, but nice people. I read that here too with others experiences. I get the feeling that there are a lot of people with that sentiment. While I take the Tamaki's of this world as a small but squeaky wheel, I just get the feeling the anti vax anti lockdown sentiment is quite wide. Purely annecdotal though

I get that feeling as well (through very limited contacts). The anti-vaxers I know are not stupid or ignorant and they are also nice, non-violent people. Their stance seems to have more to do with politics than vaccination itself. They are fiercely anti-Labour and anti-Jacinda, and while they are also genuinely anti-vax, that seems to be secondary to the political aspect.

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#2810968 11-Nov-2021 08:31

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I think we will never agree on if we could have stamped it out and whether the govt was willing to get the army in to round up all the gangs.

If you recall everybody was compliant for a long time, but the govt let the gangs do what they want, the entire time, the underworld spread it, Tamaki protested, no action, and then the people saw that there was no point following instructions and here we are.

You could not possibly know that "everybody was compliant for a long time" or specifically what the "underworld" was doing - you are talking out of a hole in your head. This "its the gangs fault" talking point has mostly been maintained by racists and its delusional to think rounding them up would've made a difference.

There were many incidents of people breaking lockdown under level 3 and level 4 that had nothing to do with gangs, just disobedient a-holes. I saw [and reported] it first hand from an upper-class district on the Shore where you'll remember there was not only patient zero but an early outbreak.

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#2810969 11-Nov-2021 08:33

It seems to me that despite their rough and ready attitude Australians are more conditioned to authoritarian policing. Their instant fines for Covid measure breaches range in the $1000s. Here the emphasis has been on persuasion, the Police have avoided taking a heavy-handed approach. Maybe the memory of how ugly the 81 tour protests got haunts us. You would have to demonise lockdown breakers in the same way boy racers or gang members are so the rest of the team didn't feel oppressed.

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#2810977 11-Nov-2021 09:11

Pertinent question of the day: how many oximetres do we have in the country and how many are on their way?

Surely our comprehensive pandemic response plan caters for a large number of people to isolate at home and we have prepared accordingly.

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#2810981 11-Nov-2021 09:19

We repeat the same mistakes, too slow to react, too slow to close, too fast to open.

All the talk of financial ruin yet key metrics like unemployment do not reflect with unemployment at record equalling levels of less than 4%.Yes there has been business failures but there has been start ups that a florishing like our own business. Businesses that adapt can survive those that can't the pandemic probably only accerated their failure.

Like the first wave Delta did not arrive by itself, it cannot fly for more than a few meters and it cannot swim oceans. It got here because we as a nation screwed up time and time again and lobbying be it direct or via media exacerbated the screw ups.

Separate those with a virus from those without and you get no transmission.

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#2810983 11-Nov-2021 09:22

arcon:

There were many incidents of people breaking lockdown under level 3 and level 4 that had nothing to do with gangs, just disobedient a-holes. I saw [and reported] it first hand from an upper-class district on the Shore where you'll remember there was not only patient zero but an early outbreak.

And the only reason we had a response when we did is because they did what they were meant to do and got tested when they got sick, so I'm not sure what you think that proves.

The fact that other people broke the rules doesn't mean there weren't extremely high profile rule breaches by gangs, seemingly with little consequences. IDK, maybe I'm just racist apparently.

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#2810984 11-Nov-2021 09:22

MikeB4:

We have circa 5million in Aotearoa, the protests have been in hundreds or a couple of thousand. It is a huge stretch to conclude the public want out.

Do you honestly think that because I wasn't standing with the Tamaki's in Auckland's Domain that I don't want out? You don't have to be an anti vaxx, covid denier to want to get out of the 5m x 3m spare bedroom that you've been working from for the past ~90 days and do normal things.

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#2810986 11-Nov-2021 09:26

Senecio:

Do you honestly think that because I wasn't standing with the Tamaki's in Auckland's Domain that I don't want out? You don't have to be an anti vaxx, covid denier to want to get out of the 5m x 3m spare bedroom that you've been working from for the past ~90 days and do normal things.

I would like to be inside with my family that aren't in my bubble.

Hardly Van Wilder stuff, is it?

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#2810993 11-Nov-2021 09:50

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This decision to bring kids back to school with 3 weeks left of the year is just dumb.

It'll make a hell of a difference to a lot of families.

In both directions.

There are 3 weeks of the school term left. The last week, they don't teach anything, which leaves 2 weeks. Subtract from that, that schools aren't allowed to run full time, or won't, and the fact teachers will now have to split teaching for kids who's parents choose to keep them home (well over 50% so far from our kids schools have indicated this) then you are talking about potentially having kids at school for perhaps 5-6 days between now and the end of the year, when the majority of kids at Intermediate, and none at primary, are vaccinated.

My son is keen as mustard, but only for the social aspect. Being able to see his friends in person is a big incentive, despite the fact that at least 3 of his friends have already opted not to return the kids to school this year.

All this, whilst the schools are scrambling to meet the guidelines and balance everything else.

/me smdh

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#2810994 11-Nov-2021 09:53

MikeB4: All the talk of financial ruin yet key metrics like unemployment do not reflect with unemployment at record equalling levels of less than 4%.

Yes there has been business failures but there has been start ups that a florishing like our own business. Businesses that adapt can survive those that can't the pandemic probably only accerated their failure.

Like the first wave Delta did not arrive by itself, it cannot fly for more than a few meters and it cannot swim oceans. It got here because we as a nation screwed up time and time again and lobbying be it direct or via media exacerbated the screw ups.

Separate those with a virus from those without and you get no transmission.

Certainly makes things appear better than they actually are. Of course a government like ours, the most transparent in history, would never fudge unemployment figures.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/as-many-as-45000-missing-from-unemployment-stats-maori-undercounted/6HMNQIMO7CZOHRSAVTPXRFGIT4/

Easy for you to say, it's not your business that's upended. Lots of successful businesses have gone under through no fault of their own, it's patronising to say they would have failed sooner or later anyway.

Seperate those with the virus from those without? For how long? I can't believe that you think we can defeat a virus and are happy to live in a hermit kingdom forever. What, just hope the rest of the world sorts it out and gives us the cure in a few years and we live happily in our little covid free paradise until then?

If you think it's OK for people to miss funerals, weddings, births and all other life moments for several years just so you can be safe, who is selfish?

98.7% of cases in Singapore are asymptomatic or mild. It's not the black plague. It's not even the Spanish flu. We have to face this like every other country.

Sir Ian Taylor said NZ is still living in fear of the virus, he is bang on.

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#2810995 11-Nov-2021 10:00

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.... The anti-vaxers I know are not .... ignorant ....

Yes they are.

Did Eric Clapton really think she looked wonderful...or was it after the 15th outfit she tried on and he just wanted to get to the party and get a drink?

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#2810997 11-Nov-2021 10:12

MikeB4:

Businesses that adapt can survive those that can't the pandemic probably only accerated their failure.

I can't begin to articulate how strongly I disagree with this argument.

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#2811000 11-Nov-2021 10:17

Well the messaging is now all over the place, and Ministers are blaming officials as they seek to cover their own butts,

On Monday we are told cases are tracking along fine, now we are told we "weren't" ready for 120 cases a day......

last night: (10th)

"The Health Minister has made a major admission - the home isolation system "wasn't ready" to cope with more than 120 daily cases of COVID-19 in the community."
""I've said to officials, I expect changes to be made immediately.""

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/health-minister-andrew-little-admits-home-isolation-system-wasn-t-ready-for-current-number-of-covid-cases.html

But two days earlier on Monday (8th) the PM said this

"generally, we’re expecting cases to increase. So as a general rule, and we’ve said this all the way through, we are expecting cases to continue to rise. We are at an R value between 1.2 and 1.3, which tells us that they will continue to rise, and we have tracked along, as has been predicted, based on that. The view of public health seems to suggest that they don’t believe necessarily that these changes will be a significant contributor."

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#2811001 11-Nov-2021 10:17

Yes there has been business failures but there has been start ups that a florishing like our own business. Businesses that adapt can survive those that can't the pandemic probably only accerated their failure.

Holy Moly that might be the most ignorant thing I've seen you ever say.

It's a disgraceful thing to say and just plain wrong.

I am genuinely shocked to see you say it.

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#2811003 11-Nov-2021 10:24

What are the implications of the government implementing the traffic light system before Christmas?

Presumably Auckland plus some other areas of NI will be red while SI, assuming there isn't a sudden significant outbreak, will be green.

How does that restrict travel between the two?

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