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  #2812366 13-Nov-2021 18:50
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Considering the relatively low number of New Zealand Covid deaths,
I would think we have not gone nuts with classifying deaths as Covid.
Like if we wanted to be deceptive, why such a low number. 

 

Trying to be not seen as hiding cases. Open an honest.
I suppose we classify as Covid until a cause is on official on death certificate, or coroner decides where this is required.

 

Just about all so far quickly having confirming death certificate, there being a trail of care to hospital, ICU, and then...
Which we have seen in numbers going through ICU at the time.

Then we get one exception that no-one thought of.
We also have privacy of deceased and family while they deal with bereavement unlike certain places.

 

I expect our bureaucracy has not kept up with the minute by minute fake news cycles. 
Apparently we are horribly behind in coroner investigations people complaining they wait ? 

 

So system is slow, inefficient, does not really support a deliberate plan to deceive that antivax transplant from USA crazies.

 

Death is not the only measure, there is the load on hospitals to ensure death is prevented, and the long covid. 
We have examples going around the world, and still going on in USA, UK, EU, Russia etc.

 

None are so blind...

 

 




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  #2812367 13-Nov-2021 19:07
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good to see every region is now over 80% for first dose, 70% for second dose. a long way to go to 90% fully, but it seems we are doing it slow and steady

 

recall that NSW opened up at 70% second dose.

 

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/auckland-canterbury-beating-southern-vax-race

 

 


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  #2812372 13-Nov-2021 19:29
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ezbee:

 


Considering the relatively low number of New Zealand Covid deaths,
I would think we have not gone nuts with classifying deaths as Covid.
Like if we wanted to be deceptive, why such a low number. 

 

Trying to be not seen as hiding cases. Open an honest.
I suppose we classify as Covid until a cause is on official on death certificate, or coroner decides where this is required.

 

Just about all so far quickly having confirming death certificate, there being a trail of care to hospital, ICU, and then...
Which we have seen in numbers going through ICU at the time.

Then we get one exception that no-one thought of.
We also have privacy of deceased and family while they deal with bereavement unlike certain places.

 

I expect our bureaucracy has not kept up with the minute by minute fake news cycles. 
Apparently we are horribly behind in coroner investigations people complaining they wait ? 

 

So system is slow, inefficient, does not really support a deliberate plan to deceive that antivax transplant from USA crazies.

 

Death is not the only measure, there is the load on hospitals to ensure death is prevented, and the long covid. 
We have examples going around the world, and still going on in USA, UK, EU, Russia etc.

 

None are so blind...

 

 

 

 

considering that bloke who was shot and killed in Auckland has been added to the covid deaths because he had covid, then i would say that there is still a lot of grey area in the reporting of deaths.





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  #2812378 13-Nov-2021 20:12
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3 more positive cases in Taupo

 

 


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  #2812379 13-Nov-2021 20:16
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vexxxboy:

 

considering that bloke who was shot and killed in Auckland has been added to the covid deaths because he had covid, then i would say that there is still a lot of grey area in the reporting of deaths.

 



It is because it is still under investigation. But the worrying thing about this case is how many people in Auckland may actually have the virus.


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  #2812380 13-Nov-2021 20:27
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Positive wastewater tests in Tauranga and Mount Maunganui on the 10th and 11th Nov

 

 


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  #2812381 13-Nov-2021 20:32
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I have a feeling it'll be in Wellington before the end of the month, maybe sooner given Masterton has locations of interest


 
 
 

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  #2812382 13-Nov-2021 20:38
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Batman:

 

found something stupid, which is quite dumb i reckon

 

Definitions: Deceased:

 

Includes all cases that died who were classified as an active case of COVID-19 at the time of death. In some of these cases, the underlying cause of death may have been unrelated to COVID-19.

 

Presumably we counted this as a covid death. No wonder people are so suspicious at covid deaths

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300451032/new-lynn-homicide-man-senselessly-shot-dead-outside-motel-had-covid19

 

 

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126909806/family-left-with-questions-after-noncovid19-death-of-auckland-rest-home-resident

 

 

 

some consistency would be nice.

 

Man shot dead is counted as covid death, but elderly lady is not.





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  #2812384 13-Nov-2021 20:51
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mattwnz: 

It is because it is still under investigation. But the worrying thing about this case is how many people in Auckland may actually have the virus.

 

If you hadn't worked it out yet. And the Minister of health backed this up this morning. We are now at the turning point due to the locked down nature of the border around the area - there will be a lot more people walking around with it now. They just may not know it due to their vaccination status hiding the fact thanks to the higher jabbed than not rates we've tipped the scales on.

 

Much like the hospitalisation and associated test rates going forward. The chances are more people will go positive than not once in circulation.

 

The tracers are only going for ultra close contacts now. And at about 1400 active they tend to get saturated and find them too late anyway. So we will now be only trapping the ones showing hard symptoms, or associated to a known and sent off to get tested and confirm it. The initial 6 in Taranaki are a good demonstration of this. 


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  #2812385 13-Nov-2021 20:55
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mattwnz: 

It is because it is still under investigation. But the worrying thing about this case is how many people in Auckland may actually have the virus.

 

why are you worrying about the inevitable?

 

we're all going to get covid for Christmas, the entire country. govt has already announced it.

 

while losing a handful of teachers, midwives, doctors and nurses. ?firefighters and police too


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  #2812388 13-Nov-2021 21:09
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I hope there aren't any more stupid, pointless protests next weekend. What a waste of time today was. Even some people there carrying MAGA flags, apparently. How ridiculous.

 

Thank Christ these idiots are clearly only in the minority.


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  #2812390 13-Nov-2021 21:10
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quickymart:

 

I hope there aren't any more stupid, pointless protests next weekend. What a waste of time today was. Even some people there carrying MAGA flags, apparently. How ridiculous.

 

Thank Christ these idiots are clearly only in the minority.

 

 

The last clip on the 6Pm news said next weeks was already in the works.


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  #2812391 13-Nov-2021 21:13
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Batman:

 

mattwnz: 

It is because it is still under investigation. But the worrying thing about this case is how many people in Auckland may actually have the virus.

 

why are you worrying about the inevitable?

 

we're all going to get covid for Christmas, the entire country. govt has already announced it.

 

while losing a handful of teachers, midwives, doctors and nurses. ?firefighters and police too

 

 

There are still a lot of people who don't understand we've moved on from elimination to living with the virus. The expectations from so many that Taranaki would go into a lockdown and then the anger from some when that didn't happen shows that plenty of people are confused about what is happening and simply don't realise that Covid will be nationwide by Xmas, if not well before then.

 

 


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  #2812392 13-Nov-2021 21:29
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Benoire:

 

The problem with these protests is that it doesnt really take many single occupant cars to gridlock the major roads/motorways in cities and towns and make it look worse than it is, i.e. 10,000 people out protesting would grid lock a large proportion of the city but represents a miniscule fraction of the population.  Would like the media to actually report the actual number of cars causing the gridlock and show it as a percentage as that would put it in to perspective.

 

 

The problem with these protests is that they are shouting against the very things that are protecting their sorry arses at the moment.

 

Idiots.





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  #2812393 13-Nov-2021 21:31
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gzt: The linked article counts 200 cars leaving Destiny Church in Wiri, South Auckland.

 

 

Destiny Church...

 

More idiots.





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