2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2814931 17-Nov-2021 22:26

Is it really as high as 10% of the population doesn't want to/won't/refuses to get vaccinated (or are antivaxx)? 500,000 ignorant, idiotic people? That number seems a little high to me.

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#2814974 18-Nov-2021 07:07

Senecio:
Batman: So australia cases were going up and up, and as soon as they open up they all go down. How is that possible

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2021/nov/16/covid-19-australia-data-tracker-map-cases-today-coronavirus-tracking-stats-live-data-update-by-state-melbourne-regional-victoria-vic-sydney-nsw-how-many-new-active-case-numbers-statistics-deaths-death-toll

Once places open up the testing rate drops?

Nope. Testing rates in NSW and Victoria are waaaaaaay higher than us.

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#2814976 18-Nov-2021 07:15

sbiddle:

Senecio:

Once places open up the testing rate drops?

Nope. Testing rates in NSW and Victoria are waaaaaaay higher than us.

Thats not what he said. Testing rate drops has nothing to do with NZ. Are testing rates stable in NSW and VIC, and cases are coming down? Or are tests low so cases reported are low?

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#2814977 18-Nov-2021 07:24

https://infogram.com/1prd79nxv15x36tgvlmj1nj75kf0d7jrrk

AU: cases, hospitalizations, ICU, all drop AFTER opening up. fingers crossed ... fresh Pfizer ...

https://www.covid19data.com.au/hospitalisations-icu

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#2814978 18-Nov-2021 07:28

saw headline today that says "Time will tell whether new covid case in Christchurch will spread, experts say"

Looks like we all are experts!

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#2814984 18-Nov-2021 07:43

Batman:

https://infogram.com/1prd79nxv15x36tgvlmj1nj75kf0d7jrrk

AU: cases, hospitalizations, ICU, all drop AFTER opening up. fingers crossed ... fresh Pfizer ...

https://www.covid19data.com.au/hospitalisations-icu

Ok, so I looked up tests, and in both states they are roughly consistent, so tests are stable, cases are trending down, etc. As NSW is highly vaccinated and Victoria a little less so, that means that the vaccines are reducing hospitalisation and ICU. Case numbers are still very high, so assume they are due to the unfettered spread by the vaccinated and unvaccinated people. And that most of the hospital and ICU cases are the epidemic of the unvaccinated. Also, added immunity from the massive numbers of past cases that they let rip when opening up with low vaccination rates, and subsequent deaths. But hey, they got freedom, as did the virus. Seems more a case of letting Covid rip through the people, then saying now hey what a good job we did??

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#2814985 18-Nov-2021 07:48

Batman:

saw headline today that says "Time will tell whether new covid case in Christchurch will spread, experts say"

Looks like we all are experts!

As always, the true experts are the ones that support anyone's given narrative

Re ChCh, house of 6, seems they stayed at home all the time except for a 30 minute shop at Countdown Eastgate. The other 5 in the house probably wouldn't have caught it AND been able to spread it on the Sunday, perhaps too early, medically, for that to manifest itself?

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#2814993 18-Nov-2021 08:17

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Oblivian: According to Facebook land. 4% of medical workforce

What did they use until now to treat diseases? Witchcraft? Thoughts and prayers?

I've noted that the empty platitude of " thoughts and prayers " has become increasingly common in one of the least religious places I've ever come across!

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#2814996 18-Nov-2021 08:21

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The unVaxx can move around the country during the summer, but most of the country will be the Red level so they will have a limited options of things to do inside.

The PM stated if an area is not at (or very near 90%) Vax the region is starting at the Red level.

The biggest fly in this ointment is the government turning business owners into policemen. If business becomes less than diligent about checking (and it's hardly far-fetched to think some might) then the whole traffic light thing just falls apart.

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#2814998 18-Nov-2021 08:28

Geektastic:

The biggest fly in this ointment is the government turning business owners into policemen. If business becomes less than diligent about checking (and it's hardly far-fetched to think some might) then the whole traffic light thing just falls apart.

So best not to open up?

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#2815007 18-Nov-2021 08:38

@Geektastic:

I've noted that the empty platitude of " thoughts and prayers " has become increasingly common in one of the least religious places I've ever come across!

And not used as sarcasm?

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#2815011 18-Nov-2021 08:46

freitasm:
@Geektastic:

I've noted that the empty platitude of " thoughts and prayers " has become increasingly common in one of the least religious places I've ever come across!

And not used as sarcasm?

Well, it's often used by officials from the police or government departments trying to sound caring.

I'm pretty sure that the "thoughts and prayers" of a monolithic government organisation would be of exactly zero interest to me if they were discussing, say, the death of my wife in a press release. Indeed I'd probably be vaguely insulted by their vacuous attempt to insert themselves into my grieving.

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#2815017 18-Nov-2021 09:04

Geektastic:

The biggest fly in this ointment is the government turning business owners into policemen. If business becomes less than diligent about checking (and it's hardly far-fetched to think some might) then the whole traffic light thing just falls apart.

that's already the case with alcohol sale: cafes, bars, restaurants, nightclubs, sport event, concerts, community events, supermarkets, liquor stores, R18 shops, etc.

I don't see that as a problem. I believe business owners in the vast majority are willing to comply and operate - no one wants another lockdown.

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#2815021 18-Nov-2021 09:10

@kobiak but those places would not be manually verifying the age of every single patron. Just the ones that "look" underage.

Very hard to tell with your eyeball who is and isn't vaccinated. So everyone coming through the door will need to be "handled".

That is a lot more overhead.

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#2815026 18-Nov-2021 09:16

kobiak:

Geektastic:

The biggest fly in this ointment is the government turning business owners into policemen. If business becomes less than diligent about checking (and it's hardly far-fetched to think some might) then the whole traffic light thing just falls apart.

that's already the case with alcohol sale: cafes, bars, restaurants, nightclubs, sport event, concerts, community events, supermarkets, liquor stores, R18 shops, etc.

I don't see that as a problem. I believe business owners in the vast majority are willing to comply and operate - no one wants another lockdown.

Agree. From day one its been a trust model. To comply and so on. I suspect that while the vast majority will comply going to premises and managing the premises, when there is a problem, it will be front page news, and it will "appear" as a major issue

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