2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2817804 23-Nov-2021 15:09

Geektastic:
Oblivian:

Control over the issuing certificate/key and ability to revoke it comes to mind. (and where the data about you is stored)

International ones follow EU standard. Our header has its own NZCP:

I'm sure that will be helpful when international tourism resumes... All businesses equipped with a reader that won't read tourist codes.

Which tourist codes are you expecting them to read? Australia? EU? New York? UAE? Qatar?California?

They all use different systems and there is zero standardisation. There is no universal system. If you travel to some countries they will verify you manually or in others, like France or Switzerland, you apply for the domestic passport and pay for the privilege.

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#2817805 23-Nov-2021 15:11

Handle9:
Geektastic: I read this morning that the authentication app for reading Covid certificates won't read international codes when the border opens.

And that we have a separate code for international travel that can be read overseas.

I am surely not the only person wondering why we didn't just use the international codes and an app that reads them....

The international certificate follows the WHO guidelines, is valid for a year and has the batch numbers for your vaccine.

The domestic one is valid for six months and has none off the extra information that is required for international travel.

None of which answers the question, why didn't we just have the international one? Then one app that can read anyone's QR code, including inbound international travellers.

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#2817812 23-Nov-2021 15:19

cshwone:
Handle9:

The international certificate follows the WHO guidelines, is valid for a year and has the batch numbers for your vaccine.

The domestic one is valid for six months and has none off the extra information that is required for international travel.

None of which answers the question, why didn't we just have the international one? Then one app that can read anyone's QR code, including inbound international travellers.

What “international” one? There is no such thing.

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#2817827 23-Nov-2021 15:38

Handle9:
Geektastic: I read this morning that the authentication app for reading Covid certificates won't read international codes when the border opens.

And that we have a separate code for international travel that can be read overseas.

I am surely not the only person wondering why we didn't just use the international codes and an app that reads them....

The international certificate follows the WHO guidelines, is valid for a year and has the batch numbers for your vaccine.

The domestic one is valid for six months and has none off the extra information that is required for international travel.

As to why we don't just use the international one domestically, I think there is a good bet privacy is the reason.

The domestic one doesn't make a distinction between the vaccinated & the exempt, what brand of vaccine you had, how long ago etc. Hence meaning showing a pass isn't sharing your medical information, and eliminating risk of discrimination against the legitimately exempt.

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#2817830 23-Nov-2021 15:46

I can't believe use of the vaccine scanner will not be mandatory or necessary. What a massive win for anti vaxxers and a kick in the teeth for law abiding citizens.

All an anti vaxxer need to do is edit the PDF document (easy since it's sent as an editable PDF) to include their name which even saves them having to find the correct font. Tamper with the barcode so it won't scan and any store / cafe using the passport system has to accept the paper document at face value.

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#2817835 23-Nov-2021 16:00

apparently virus mutated itself into extinction https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-new-research-suggests-delta-strain-drove-itself-to-extinction-in-japan/Q37746Q7NJS3W4XXTQYC4BGDOA/

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#2817837 23-Nov-2021 16:13

sbiddle:

I.. Tamper with the barcode so it won't scan and any store / cafe using the passport system has to accept the paper document at face value.

Where did you read that they have to accept it?

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#2817840 23-Nov-2021 16:19

DonH:

sbiddle:

I.. Tamper with the barcode so it won't scan and any store / cafe using the passport system has to accept the paper document at face value.

Where did you read that they have to accept it?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300461414/covid19-nz-jacinda-ardern-says-vaccine-passes-dont-need-to-be-scanned-ministry-of-health-says-they-do

"Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Covid-19 Minister Chris Hipkins both say venues requiring Covid-19 vaccine passes will be able to check them visually instead of using an official app if they wish to."

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#2817843 23-Nov-2021 16:34

wellygary:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300461414/covid19-nz-jacinda-ardern-says-vaccine-passes-dont-need-to-be-scanned-ministry-of-health-says-they-do

"Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Covid-19 Minister Chris Hipkins both say venues requiring Covid-19 vaccine passes will be able to check them visually instead of using an official app if they wish to."

Thanks. I missed that. I had interpreted earlier statements to mean businesses can use either the NZ app or a 3rd party app. I'll wait for the contradiction to be resolved. Hopefully common sense will prevail.

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#2817844 23-Nov-2021 16:45

What stops people creating fake passes if they don't use the scanner to check them against someone's ID? It doesn't make sense especially considering that is the point of the scanning app and it doesn't take much time to scan and authenticate.

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#2817845 23-Nov-2021 16:51

DonH:

wellygary:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300461414/covid19-nz-jacinda-ardern-says-vaccine-passes-dont-need-to-be-scanned-ministry-of-health-says-they-do

"Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Covid-19 Minister Chris Hipkins both say venues requiring Covid-19 vaccine passes will be able to check them visually instead of using an official app if they wish to."

Thanks. I missed that. I had interpreted earlier statements to mean businesses can use either the NZ app or a 3rd party app. I'll wait for the contradiction to be resolved. Hopefully common sense will prevail.

MoH (and apparently legislation and somebody I know who had been working on this) says they have to scan every barcode to verify them. Ardern and Hipkins say you don't and can verify look at the piece of paper if you want.

I'm just gonna suit here with my popcorn and watch somebody have to backtrack and admit they're wrong..

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#2817848 23-Nov-2021 16:55

Just goes to show this Govt is completely confused. Sighting a barcode vs scanning and verifying will be so open to fake barcodes.

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#2817898 23-Nov-2021 17:03

this sounds like a waste of time?

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#2817899 23-Nov-2021 17:03

Batman:

apparently virus mutated itself into extinction https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-new-research-suggests-delta-strain-drove-itself-to-extinction-in-japan/Q37746Q7NJS3W4XXTQYC4BGDOA/

Its a pity that many other places are using their freedums to keep selection process for fitter virus going.

Interesting comment below is that Delta is more like 'original' than Beta, thus existing vaccines being reasonably effective against it.
So oxford consider that work on Beta for new version of vaccine still worthwhile just in case.
Plus a review of why MERS vaccine did not go far, and they could not even get support to vaccinate camels.

Grumpy old virologist interviews volcanologist Sarah Gilbert, the Oxford side of Oxford AstraZeneca.
First 30min...

Professor Sarah Gilbert
Saïd Professorship of Vaccinology, Jenner Institute & Nuffield Department of Clinical Medicine
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-813/

It would be nice, here's hoping, though behaviors of host is still a wildcard factor.

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#2817900 23-Nov-2021 17:04

surfisup1000:

Oblivian: Other trick is call your gp and ask if you can look up the results against NHI. May be processed but in the notification queue.

Yes, have been doing that too. The GP must be getting sick of him calling up so many times.... told him to try and get out of auck later today anyway, show them the double vax, only been in auckland for the day, they have a slip showing they had the test just under 3 days ago....and they're 18yrs old, very low risk.

Although, the cop seemed to think it wasn't enough when they entered auck this morning.

Just go. Trying is the only way to know for sure if you will be let through.

NZ police are typically fairly pragmatic. Unlikely they will block the exit over this. You can produce evidence of vaccination, and that the test was taken days ago, so you are genuinely trying to do the right thing.

Especially given there is risk of bad press for both police and the government. - Media would love to run stories about how test processing times are not such that it is not viable for people requiring a test within 72 hours to leave the city.

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