Australian trial tests blood thinner as nasal spray

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59751702

DS248:

 

Australian trial tests blood thinner as nasal spray

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59751702

 

 

 

I take Warfarin every day. Perhaps I could chop up the tablets with a razor blade and snort them! 🤣

vexxxboy:  ...

 

The main thing to know are Hospital admissions going up in relation to cases , they dont seem to be in the UK, 200,000 cases 133 people in Hospital, and they certainly didnt in South Africa where they had 1.7% of people positive with Omicron were admitted to hospital. compared to around 27% with Delta. 

This article work reading for a brief overview of the current situation in London.  Paints a slightly different picture

https://news.sky.com/story/omicron-what-do-covid-hospitalisation-figures-in-london-tell-us-about-how-severe-the-new-variant-is-12501451

Two charts in the article are of particular relevance to the current numbers:

Too early to draw any reliable conclusions on Omicron vs Delta hospitalisation rate.

DS248:

 

vexxxboy:  ...

 

The main thing to know are Hospital admissions going up in relation to cases , they dont seem to be in the UK, 200,000 cases 133 people in Hospital, and they certainly didnt in South Africa where they had 1.7% of people positive with Omicron were admitted to hospital. compared to around 27% with Delta. 

 

 

 

This article work reading for a brief overview of the current situation in London.  Paints a slightly different picture

 

https://news.sky.com/story/omicron-what-do-covid-hospitalisation-figures-in-london-tell-us-about-how-severe-the-new-variant-is-12501451

 

Two charts in the article are of particular relevance to the current numbers:

 

 

 

 

 

Too early to draw any reliable conclusions on Omicron vs Delta hospitalisation rate.

 

 

 

 

 

do they mention the fact in London that half the people in hospital in London were already there and tested positive for omicron while in there and the chief medical officer in Australia has come out and said that after 4 weeks of Omicron in Australia there hasnt been one case of omicron ending up in the ICU. After 4 weeks in counties with high Omicron cases the hospital rates are not rising in ratio with the number of cases 

Geektastic:

 

I take Warfarin every day. Perhaps I could chop up the tablets with a razor blade and snort them! 🤣

 

Those not on Warfarin could just grind up rat poison to snort.

[Surely I don't need to say that I'm just kidding here???]

i'm just guessing here - but i don't think it's the blood thinning property that's giving the effect

it's likely a protein conformation in the trial drug that promotes binding of coronavirus spike, with or without assistance of favourable polarity combination (electrical charge) or acidity/basicity combination

Scott3:

 

DS248:

 

FWIW:

 

NZ:     12+ population @ 31Dec20 = 4,337,590 (Stats NZ Info Share, Dec21); First Doses = 3,967,996 (MOH, 22 Dec 21) = 91.5% of 12+ population

 

NSW: 12+ population @ 30Jun21 = 6,979,337 (abs.gov.au, Dec21); First Doses = 6,549,195 (covidlive.com.au, 22 Dec 21) = 93.8% of 12+ population

 

 

 

 

Now we are getting into high vaccination rates, the discrepancy between the Stats NZ population, and the NZ Health service use population is getting quite material. The government and media probiably should have been using the stats NZ population all along.

 

Your calculated first dose (91.5%), vs the MOH published value (94%) is a big difference. Hadn't released out numbers were out by so much.

 

As far as I'm aware nobody from MoH has explained why their 12+ population figure (which they updated downwards a few months ago) differs so significantly from the Stats NZ population estimate. I know media have asked.

I always thought the DHB numbers were just those who have interacted with the health system while the Stats NZ is the total population.
Hence the DHB numbers are always going to be a subset.

I've been waiting for the Canterbury DHB to reach 101+% just so I can watch confused people :)

Can't see them changing things now - it is bad PR to suddenly drop by x% especially if it puts numbers below 90%/
Doesn't really matter in the big picture - as others have said, they are going to vaccinate until the run out of arms regardless of a percentage figure in a report.

While we still have delta in the wild looking for new opportunities.

In UK, with Omicron being an infector of vaccinated and prior infected.
One wonders how many of the 'non serious' UK Omicron cases are because people were vax or prior infectee ? 

Daily Mail chart, about 1/3 down the page comparing vaccines. Don't know the data source ?
Two doses of Pfizer deal with Omicron way better than other vaccines.
AZ plus Pfizer even better, two AZ not very good at all, along with prior delta infection. 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10332019/Daily-Covid-cases-breached-100-000-amid-Omicron-wave.html

Still there are a lot of unvaccinated in UK ( 5 million ? ).

‘Help us to help you’: doctors in England make pleas to unvaccinated
Frontline staff report that all or nearly all admissions at their hospitals have not been jabbed
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/22/help-us-to-help-you-doctors-in-england-make-pleas-to-unvaccinated

Another Nordic state puts a limit on Alcohol, Finland.
Bars will stop serving alcohol at 9pm on Christmas Eve, followed by a three-week alcohol sales ban past 5pm in bars and restaurants from 28 December.  

i think Australia is really important as a case on how to fight the omicron strain. They are saying it doesn't put people in Hospital so it wont put a strain on our health system and we are going to ride it out just relying on the common sense of our population to do what is right for them and others so we dont need lockdowns. Every other country are going back to lockdowns and doing what they would if it was the delta strain. So we have both ways of doing things played out in the real world and for NZ we should be watching what to do when Omicron takes over here, if it works in Australia then we may not need to go back to lockdowns.

There is a whole lot of hope going round the world now (no more so than where I sit) that Omicron is less 'severe' (ie., less hospitalisations).

I'll cross everything I've got that this is the case. The appetite for lockdowns is pretty small everywhere (not just here in Auckland).

Batman: https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300484765/realworld-data-from-uk-suggests-omicron-is-less-likely-than-delta-to-send-people-to-hospital

Except that Omicron is waaay more infectious than Delta, so it being less likely (Seeing 60-69% bandied about), if omicron is only 2-3x more infectious than Delta OR able to infect vaccinated/previously infected people, it's going to hospitalise MORE people than Delta over all and overload the health system, since it's going to infect way more people.

I'm seeing numbers like "3 to 6" more able to infect people/infectious than Delta bandied about, so unfortunately it's not actually good news.

trig42:

 

There is a whole lot of hope going round the world now (no more so than where I sit) that Omicron is less 'severe' (ie., less hospitalisations).

 

I'll cross everything I've got that this is the case. The appetite for lockdowns is pretty small everywhere (not just here in Auckland).

 

Given how infectious Omicron seems to be, that hope seems to be misplaced, as there will be way more people infected vs how much less deadly Omicron is. The sheer numbers of infections will overpower the "less deadly" bit and overwhelm health systems.

We _really_ don't want Omicron to escape MIQ, because it will destroy our health system.