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ajobbins
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  #2846722 11-Jan-2022 13:47
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Sup:

 

The state of Victoria is a bit of a mess in terms of health care. Second Ambulance code Red called overnight with 25 status one patients unable to get an immediate response, no word on how many of them died.

 

The down stream effects of Omicron are really what is making it worse than Delta.

 

Of course in Victoria where there has been the strongest antivaxx movement, they have been suffering a very long Delta wave, which omicron is now coming in over the top.

 

The real alarm is that the Ambulance Union are expecting more code red nights and even the possibility of several days in a row where you cannot get immediate assistance for things like heart attack. Excess deaths then look to rise in the state.

 

Hospital numbers have hit an all time high for the State of Victoria and what concerns me most, is that they are more similar to New Zealand in terms of their health infrastructure than say the massive system they have in NSW.

 

It is very clear now that New Zealand is in for a hard time, however as I always say, the vaccinated among us, are very well protected from the worst of it.

 

The one million unvaccinated citizens is our weak point.

 

 

The Ambulance code red is an indirect rather than a direct result of Omicron, and why I suspect Australia (and other places who haven't already) may move to a setting where only positive cases are isolated. The demand on ambulance services isn't the problem (Omicron isn't causing a surge in demand), rather the supply is constrained with part of the workforce either unwell or isolating as a contact (the latter being a larger group).

 

Yes, our hospital numbers hit an all time high today at 861, but the previous high was 851 back in October when we had 1903 cases (or just 5% of today's case numbers). The same day had 103 people on ventilators in VIC, whereas today there are 27. Also, around half of those hospital numbers are not because of covid, but were detected in patients there for unrelated reasons - including giving birth.

 

 

 

NZ will likely face similar issues when Omicron arrives - perhaps worse because you have a less well resources health system to start with. I don't know what the answer is, but it doesn't appear the NZ government is doing a lot to prepare for this.

 

One thing they should be doing is getting supplies of Rapid Antigen Tests ASAP, and distributing them to hubs around the country ahead of a surge in demand on testing. Learn from Australia's mistakes and be proactive now, before you have any outbreak.

 

Supply of RATs is starting to improve here. I was able to get 4 this morning from a state run clinic, but it did mean a 90 minute wait.





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  #2846723 11-Jan-2022 13:51
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Sup:

 

It is very clear now that New Zealand is in for a hard time, however as I always say, the vaccinated among us, are very well protected from the worst of it.

 

The one million unvaccinated citizens is our weak point.

 

 

Although to be fair only 200K are eligible,  (800K are kids and ~500K are 5-11s)

 

Boosting 45K a day is good, but in reality its only (~20K a day net) and needs to ramp quickly to keep up,

 

(There are 1.2 million with 4 month eligibility, but by early Feb this number really starts to rise quickly by 40-60K a day- corresponding to the October jump in 2nd doses last year, culminating in 90K second doses on Super Saterday ( 16th October) 

 

 

 

 


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  #2846730 11-Jan-2022 14:10
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ajobbins:One thing they should be doing is getting supplies of Rapid Antigen Tests ASAP, and distributing them to hubs around the country ahead of a surge in demand on testing. Learn from Australia's mistakes and be proactive now, before you have any outbreak.

 

Supply of RATs is starting to improve here. I was able to get 4 this morning from a state run clinic, but it did mean a 90 minute wait.

 

 

Last week I saw something written that there are 3M RATs in NZ. 20M currently on order and deciding how many more to order. 




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  #2846733 11-Jan-2022 14:16
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ajobbins:

 

Sup:

 

The state of Victoria is a bit of a mess in terms of health care. Second Ambulance code Red called overnight with 25 status one patients unable to get an immediate response, no word on how many of them died.

 

The down stream effects of Omicron are really what is making it worse than Delta.

 

Of course in Victoria where there has been the strongest antivaxx movement, they have been suffering a very long Delta wave, which omicron is now coming in over the top.

 

The real alarm is that the Ambulance Union are expecting more code red nights and even the possibility of several days in a row where you cannot get immediate assistance for things like heart attack. Excess deaths then look to rise in the state.

 

Hospital numbers have hit an all time high for the State of Victoria and what concerns me most, is that they are more similar to New Zealand in terms of their health infrastructure than say the massive system they have in NSW.

 

It is very clear now that New Zealand is in for a hard time, however as I always say, the vaccinated among us, are very well protected from the worst of it.

 

The one million unvaccinated citizens is our weak point.

 

 

The Ambulance code red is an indirect rather than a direct result of Omicron, and why I suspect Australia (and other places who haven't already) may move to a setting where only positive cases are isolated. The demand on ambulance services isn't the problem (Omicron isn't causing a surge in demand), rather the supply is constrained with part of the workforce either unwell or isolating as a contact (the latter being a larger group).

 

Yes, our hospital numbers hit an all time high today at 861, but the previous high was 851 back in October when we had 1903 cases (or just 5% of today's case numbers). The same day had 103 people on ventilators in VIC, whereas today there are 27. Also, around half of those hospital numbers are not because of covid, but were detected in patients there for unrelated reasons - including giving birth.

 

 

 

NZ will likely face similar issues when Omicron arrives - perhaps worse because you have a less well resources health system to start with. I don't know what the answer is, but it doesn't appear the NZ government is doing a lot to prepare for this.

 

One thing they should be doing is getting supplies of Rapid Antigen Tests ASAP, and distributing them to hubs around the country ahead of a surge in demand on testing. Learn from Australia's mistakes and be proactive now, before you have any outbreak.

 

Supply of RATs is starting to improve here. I was able to get 4 this morning from a state run clinic, but it did mean a 90 minute wait.

 

 

Indirect pressure from omicron is right. I describe it as an EMP attack rather than a Nuclear bomb. Omicrom disrupts systems and therefore people are left in a more vulnerable position due to the lack of the usual mechanisms they rely on. However from what we are seeing in Aus, omicron is not the plague, there will be no mass graves like Northern Italy, in our system or anything like that. Fortunately our countries headed off that specter through highly effective vaccine roll outs.

 

I think both hardest hit states in Australia are doing about as well as anyone could hope given the enormity of the spread. New Zealand as you say has more of a worry with its health system, we would be in a crisis at 851 admissions with several weeks left of mounting pressure over and above that.

 

Our biggest concern here is the health of kids in lower socio economic areas. Omicron although not absolutely well understood, does offer a significant threat to kids who are susceptible to upper respiratory tract infections. Every year our biggest hospital in South Auckland sees a significant influx of kids with breathing issues...primarily because at baseline, they are a vulnerable population. 

 

Really, the population at risk here are the under fives (once the 5-11 roll out hits peak numbers).

 

As far as adults go, only the unvaccinated will be very high risk, and some of them are not going to get sick anyway,

 

My main hope is that poorer families have prepared for this. There will be no mass social services food drops to families isolating, or certainly no capacity to meet demand in numbers in the tens of thousands.

 

And the home care system as it stands, will not cope with the volumes omicron throws up.

 

 

 

 





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  #2846736 11-Jan-2022 14:27
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On a totally different note:

 

Life at Orange

 

At Orange, there will be community transmission of COVID-19, with increasing risks to vulnerable communities, and pressure on the health system.

 

Life at Green

 

At Green, there is limited community transmission, and our health system is ready to respond.

 

 

 

From the above should most of the country, especially the South Island, be at Green? We all seem to be concentrating on the impending doom of Omicron and forgetting where we are today.


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  #2846739 11-Jan-2022 14:34
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cshwone:

 

On a totally different note:

 

Life at Orange

 

At Orange, there will be community transmission of COVID-19, with increasing risks to vulnerable communities, and pressure on the health system.

 

Life at Green

 

At Green, there is limited community transmission, and our health system is ready to respond.

 

 

 

From the above should most of the country, especially the South Island, be at Green? We all seem to be concentrating on the impending doom of Omicron and forgetting where we are today.

 

 

I think the last point nails it. But until that happens, open up. Busnesses and employees need a period of success to help when it hits, and the well being factor is probably quiet huge. Give that a boost too


 
 
 

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  #2846762 11-Jan-2022 15:17
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cshwone:

 

On a totally different note:

 

Life at Orange

 

At Orange, there will be community transmission of COVID-19, with increasing risks to vulnerable communities, and pressure on the health system.

 

Life at Green

 

At Green, there is limited community transmission, and our health system is ready to respond.

 

 

 

From the above should most of the country, especially the South Island, be at Green? We all seem to be concentrating on the impending doom of Omicron and forgetting where we are today.

 

 

Tricky one. We seem to be killing off the long tail of Delta, to a point where the unlikely elimination of it is possible. At least mathematically that is what is happening. Delta is struggling to increase in a highly vaccinated plus health restrictions system.

 

If the NSW figures for hospitalizations were accurate, and there is no reason not to doubt them, then the removing of restrictions for them, seems to have caused a demand on beds through an increase in Delta cases.Then you get omicron on top.

 

I do not think we can afford this dual wave issue. I think we have to try to get rid of Delta, that on its own would make a big difference in how we cope with Omicron.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #2846766 11-Jan-2022 15:42
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OK What's up with people from Welly catching COVID at DnB or partying up north....

 

 

 

"The latest case was linked to the Hidden Valley Festival in Matakana, north of Auckland, a statement on the Ministry of Health website said on Tuesday.

 

Two earlier cases of Covid-19 in Wellington were linked to a Tauranga drum and bass festival on January 3,

 

While a case confirmed on Monday was linked to the Britomart Block Party in Auckland on New Year’s Eve.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/127474383/covid19-fourth-positive-case-confirmed-in-wellington

 

 


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  #2846767 11-Jan-2022 15:45
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wellygary:

 

...

 

it will pretty much come down to hospitalisation and ICU, if they get swamped  I would expect the government to move to some restrictions stronger the "Red" setting...

 

...

 

 

With Omicron, by then it would probably be too late to suppress the spread.


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  #2846801 11-Jan-2022 16:25
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wellygary:

 

OK What's up with people from Welly catching COVID at DnB or partying up north....

 

 

Empirical proof that you have to leave Wellington to have any real fun. 


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  #2846817 11-Jan-2022 17:05
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GV27:

 

wellygary:

 

OK What's up with people from Welly catching COVID at DnB or partying up north....

 

 

Empirical proof that you have to leave Wellington to have any real fun. 

 

 

Which is why I live in Masterton and only work in Wellington. 🤣


 
 
 
 

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  #2846821 11-Jan-2022 17:36
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A case in South Canterbury linked to a music festival up north.

 

That's the most southerly case for nearly 2 years isn't it?


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  #2846826 11-Jan-2022 17:59
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127465485/carterton-cafe-allows-dining-on-site-despite-opting-out-of-vaccine-pass-system

 

Another place thinking they're above the rules when it comes to dining on the premises. Anyone in the Wairarapa eaten at this place recently? @cshwone?

 

Also - a location of interest, although not in the way to which we're accustomed: https://www.facebook.com/acupunctureoamaru/

 

The woman who runs place this is not vaccinated ("medical reasons", apparently), doesn't use the vaccine pass and believes accupuncturists are okay as she doesn't have "more than 15 minutes of face to face contact" with customers.
Does that sound right? I'd never heard of a rule like this before.


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  #2846835 11-Jan-2022 18:04
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quickymart:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127465485/carterton-cafe-allows-dining-on-site-despite-opting-out-of-vaccine-pass-system

 

Another place thinking they're above the rules when it comes to dining on the premises.

 

Also - a location of interest, although not in the way to which we're accustomed: https://www.facebook.com/acupunctureoamaru/

 

The woman who runs this is not vaccinated, doesn't use the vaccine pass and believes accupuncturists are okay as she doesn't have "more than 15 minutes of face to face contact" with customers.
Does that sound right? I'd never heard of a rule like this before.

 

 

 

 

It seems my bank is now requiring vaccination passports if you likely  going to spend more than 15 minutes, eg when meeting a mortgage advisor. But some of the lines in banks can be longer than 15 minutes due to the lack of staff at busy times..


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  #2846840 11-Jan-2022 18:35
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quickymart:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127465485/carterton-cafe-allows-dining-on-site-despite-opting-out-of-vaccine-pass-system

 

Another place thinking they're above the rules when it comes to dining on the premises. Anyone in the Wairarapa eaten at this place recently? @cshwone?

 

 

 

 

All I do know is that they are held in contempt by the majority of Wairarapa residents. Their car park is normally very busy but strangely is very quiet now.

 

Other related businesses had to publicly decouple themselves. It's been going on since Vaccine Passes were first mooted so not new news.


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