2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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Ultimate Geek

#2855292 23-Jan-2022 22:45

Sup: Jacinda got cut off in her family wagon, the Mercedes van they use....she was cut off in a car park by female antivaxxers driving across her exit.

Looked like Dip protection drove her onto the footpath to get away.

I keep warning people, Adern is our most vulnerable citizen right now and it is pretty disgusting.

Neve was probably in the family van.

Some one will attack her soon and they will try to kill her.

They would have to be pretty keen as DPS carry firearms.

With the car blocking them in if the DPS felt there was a genuine risk, like a window getting smashed, and there wasnt a footpath to drive on they would have rammed it out of the way.

Neve might be in Northland with the PM but with the threats going around lately there is no way they would let a toddler anywhere near a public appearance that couldnt be tightly controlled.

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#2855295 23-Jan-2022 23:14

Oblivian: Onenews facey post after the media standup.

The majority of people interacting are revolting. Both senses of the word.

The funny (Kiwi ism funny not haha) part is....that when cases hit 10,000 and we start losing half a dozen a day and climbing....all these keyboard Warriors 'in revolt' will dissapear from the streets as cities fall silent like Sydney did.

Just keep swimming...

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#2855296 23-Jan-2022 23:23

Similar storey at a similar time / same day

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/wa-records-24-new-covid-cases-but-all-linked-to-existing/100776210

"Omicron can't be 'eliminated' in WA, Health Minister concedes as case numbers jump"

Will be interesting to see how closely the two situations play out.

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#2855299 23-Jan-2022 23:36

Sup: Jacinda got cut off in her family wagon, the Mercedes van they use....she was cut off in a car park by female antivaxxers driving across her exit.

Looked like Dip protection drove her onto the footpath to get away.

I keep warning people, Adern is our most vulnerable citizen right now and it is pretty disgusting.

Neve was probably in the family van.

Some one will attack her soon and they will try to kill her.

I'm quite interested in that van. I think it is wrong to suggest that is their family wagon. I think Jacinda has an ioniq, and Clark has a Colarado.

Van in question is this one.

https://www.carjam.co.nz/car/?plate=MCJ898

It's on a COF, so it is either a taxi / charter van, a rental or in the crown fleet (But usually the crown cars get CR numberplates).

But it is registered as a 6 seater (a no cost option, standard is 7 seater, and a cost option is 8 seater), and it has the AMG wheels and bumper, all of which would be unusual for a rental / taxi.

Agree with the below comment, it is extremely unlikely that Neve was taken to a public engagement in north-land with the PM in the current environment. Obviously there was quite a DPS presence at the time the video was taken.

Daynger:

They would have to be pretty keen as DPS carry firearms.

With the car blocking them in if the DPS felt there was a genuine risk, like a window getting smashed, and there wasnt a footpath to drive on they would have rammed it out of the way.

Neve might be in Northland with the PM but with the threats going around lately there is no way they would let a toddler anywhere near a public appearance that couldnt be tightly controlled.

It was more aggressive heckling / yelling, than a serious threat of physical harm / broken windows etc.

A passenger in the car the video was shot from was egging the driver on to block the second exit of the car-park, but the driver was reluctant. Driver of the Heckling car drove down the road at as to time arrival at car-park exit with the arrival of the van. Slowed but did not stop.

Driver of the van obviously decided that mounting the footpath to leave ahead of that care was the preferable solution to de-escalate the situation. Seemed to plenty of DPS staff on hand had that not been a viable option.

Clearly it was nasty behavior by the hecklers, but there was nothing on the video that justified a gun being drawn.

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Ultimate Geek

#2855304 24-Jan-2022 00:28

DS248:
Similar storey at a similar time / same day

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/wa-records-24-new-covid-cases-but-all-linked-to-existing/100776210

"Omicron can't be 'eliminated' in WA, Health Minister concedes as case numbers jump"

Will be interesting to see how closely the two situations play out.

Wow yeah same start times with likely very different trajectories.

New Zealands outbreak started with a super spreader seeding event (wedding and other gatherings).

And NZs outbreak went undetected for a long time.

So we will have an explosive exponential curve on our hands in 14 days or less, possibly even a week from now.

Which removes any chance of a Tasmanian style tight control of a smaller under 2k wave from the outset.

The only question for us, is whether we can keep it under 10-20 K.

Western Aus on the other hand might fare better....but they also have crap health capacity.

Just keep swimming...

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#2855315 24-Jan-2022 08:36

Sup:

Yes, for the vulnerable it is worse than Delta, far worse.

Delta was well controlled by vaccines.

So, the vulnerable, and I guess that means everyone else as well, Omicron is worse than Delta? I assume as the vaccine isn't much good at Omicron? Is that what you are saying?

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#2855316 24-Jan-2022 08:42

What I find extraordinary is that inter regional travel is permitted under red.

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#2855320 24-Jan-2022 08:50

Geektastic: What I find extraordinary is that inter regional travel is permitted under red.

if it wasnt then it would be a lockdown....which this is not

you seem to be under the impression we are trying to eliminate this

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#2855323 24-Jan-2022 08:55

Jase2985:
Geektastic: What I find extraordinary is that inter regional travel is permitted under red.

if it wasnt then it would be a lockdown....which this is not

you seem to be under the impression we are trying to eliminate this

No it wouldn't. It would merely be a prudent way to prevent it being spread around so fast.

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#2855324 24-Jan-2022 09:00

that stopped when we switched to the traffic light system

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#2855328 24-Jan-2022 09:18

I generally have no time for David Seymour, but he seems to be quite right about the Government's "Stage 1 - Stamp It Out"; it's a placeholder until they figure out how to actually manage stages 2 and 3 (something that should already have been fully planned for).

They know, and have said, that elimination won't happen - so there's no other explanation for a "Stamp it Out" phase except to look like they have a plan.

It really does seem like the Government has been wishfully thinking we wouldn't have a large country-wide outbreak if they just stuck to the strict MIQ policies. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst - they forgot to do the second part.

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#2855335 24-Jan-2022 09:56

Oblivian:
mattwnz:

Would vaccination centres turn away people who turn up after 3 months instead of 4, if they have supply on hand to do them?

The register system does in no way shape or form allow for you to register the person unless today's date is last jab date+4. Infact it gives a big redflag error result.

As heard many times while waiting for mine as a couple come in, one border worker and other not. And non was denied as the system wouldn't allow. Much to their complaining to try bypass a 2nd visit.

yes, I assume that any spare supply the walk in places have are for those eligible as they would be the priority i.e. the unvaccinated and 2nd shot and lately age 5-11 and those who have reached 4 months. I also assume or would like to think a walk in place would check the covid vaccination record database

However I would not be surprised if the govt assesses bringing forward booster eligibility like 2 Australian states did as a mitigation to get ahead of any widespread Omicron spread, presumably they will need to check stock and supply to inform that

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#2855341 24-Jan-2022 10:19

tdgeek:
Sup:

Yes, for the vulnerable it is worse than Delta, far worse.

Delta was well controlled by vaccines.

So, the vulnerable, and I guess that means everyone else as well, Omicron is worse than Delta? I assume as the vaccine isn't much good at Omicron? Is that what you are saying?

The vaccine is excellent at protecting from omicron hospitalization and deaths, though in vulnerable populations your best defence is some meaningful herd type immunity / or a working vaccine wall.

And a variant like Delta, with lower immune escape to vaccines, is therefore less threatening to all vaccinated groups.

Omicron is more threatening than Delta to the vulnerable because it finds all of the vulnerable in a given population, where Delta by comparison is much easier to contain.

Essentially you could keep Delta out of the likes of resthomes in a highly vaccinated society vs Omicron which will go everywhere all at once and massively escalate the acuity threshold for admitting people to hospitals.

Since the most effective way of saving the highest number of very ill people is to simply give them oxygen, then the numbers game of omicron means the outcomes are poorer.

Just keep swimming...

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#2855359 24-Jan-2022 10:53

Paul1977:

I generally have no time for David Seymour, but he seems to be quite right about the Government's "Stage 1 - Stamp It Out"; it's a placeholder until they figure out how to actually manage stages 2 and 3 (something that should already have been fully planned for).

They know, and have said, that elimination won't happen - so there's no other explanation for a "Stamp it Out" phase except to look like they have a plan.

It really does seem like the Government has been wishfully thinking we wouldn't have a large country-wide outbreak if they just stuck to the strict MIQ policies. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst - they forgot to do the second part.

I suspect the stage 1 is a 'Hope that it hasn't already spread like wildfire from this wedding' and we mayu have a chance of batting it down.

I don't think we can - they don't know how it got TO the wedding - the family from Motueka aren't the first ones to get it, they were just the first to get tested. Where did it come from? Someone who was feeling a bit sketchy and didn't get tested.

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#2855362 24-Jan-2022 10:57

Sup:

The vaccine is excellent at protecting from omicron hospitalization and deaths, though in vulnerable populations your best defence is some meaningful herd type immunity / or a working vaccine wall.

And a variant like Delta, with lower immune escape to vaccines, is therefore less threatening to all vaccinated groups.

Omicron is more threatening than Delta to the vulnerable because it finds all of the vulnerable in a given population, where Delta by comparison is much easier to contain.

Essentially you could keep Delta out of the likes of resthomes in a highly vaccinated society vs Omicron which will go everywhere all at once and massively escalate the acuity threshold for admitting people to hospitals.

Since the most effective way of saving the highest number of very ill people is to simply give them oxygen, then the numbers game of omicron means the outcomes are poorer.

It depends if Red Light is locked in stone or not. The purpose is to slow it down, to cater for beds/ICU, if it needs more then the Red Light needs heavier restrictions

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