2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2855370 24-Jan-2022 11:10

My biggest concern is my father who has bad emphysema, that if he gets sick that all the hospital beds will already be taken by the eligible unvaccinated.

cruxis

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Ultimate Geek

#2855434 24-Jan-2022 11:33

Paul1977:

My biggest concern is my father who has bad emphysema, that if he gets sick that all the hospital beds will already be taken by the eligible unvaccinated.

That makes me wonder, What are the Hospitals treatment policy when ICU is overloaded?

Does unvaxed give up a ICU bed for a vaxed person? My opinion, Yes.

Does the eldery person give up a ICU bed to a child? My opinion, Yes.

Does a Vaxed Lifestyle choice comorbidities person give up a ICU bed to the Fit vaxed person who has better chances? My opinion Yes.

Or is going to be first in first served, Which I think is unfair.

Benoire

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Uber Geek

#2855436 24-Jan-2022 11:36

The hospitals will triage which will generally focus on the young, even if unvaccinated over the old I suspect.

Paul1977

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#2855444 24-Jan-2022 11:54

cruxis:

That makes me wonder, What are the Hospitals treatment policy when ICU is overloaded?

Does unvaxed give up a ICU bed for a vaxed person? My opinion, Yes.

Does the eldery person give up a ICU bed to a child? My opinion, Yes.

Does a Vaxed Lifestyle choice comorbidities person give up a ICU bed to the Fit vaxed person who has better chances? My opinion Yes.

Or is going to be first in first served, Which I think is unfair.

I'd imagine it'll come down to who the staff think has the better chance of survival. It's selfish of the unvaxxed to force that decision on medical staff, and certainly unfair to the vaxxed patient who may not get the treatment they need as a result.

cruxis

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Ultimate Geek

#2855495 24-Jan-2022 12:08

Well the question got me googling I di find a NZ paper on priortisation of covid ICU care tools here.

https://journals.lww.com/ccejournal/Fulltext/2021/03000/Rapid_Development_of_a_Tool_for_Prioritizing.15.aspx

Vaccination status is not a factor of who gets care.

ezbee

2405 posts

Uber Geek

#2855502 24-Jan-2022 12:25

It was pointed out in an interview on RNZ that its emergency departments , general respiratory etc that get hit hardest.
You have all sorts arriving at ED, from gunshots through car accidents, diy, sports, etc,
and protecting the resource and other patents from infection becomes very difficult.

Long delays possibly in very significant pain if you can wait, as its only a broken bone.
In USA a multiple gunshot victim waited a week or more for treatment of broken bones as they were stable.
So don't fall off that ladder slip in the bathroom.
Be careful with that jug full of boiling water.

Staff go down across the hospital so its not just ICU that end up short staffed, its the whole hospital.

Ok they can come back with shorter isolation while infected.
A percentage worn to a frazzle with omicron on top wil not be able to do double shifts anymore.
Much as you don't want long distance truckers falling asleep at the wheel due to fatigue.
Even if they can drive infected in their cab isolated.

So measures to slow spread and that initial slope of rise pays dividends down the track.
Faster you go the bigger the mess.

SJB

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#2855550 24-Jan-2022 12:27

Why were MIQ workers and Air NZ crew not being RAT tested every day once RAT's became internationally available?

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Paul1977

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#2855552 24-Jan-2022 12:29

cruxis:

Well the question got me googling I di find a NZ paper on priortisation of covid ICU care tools here.

https://journals.lww.com/ccejournal/Fulltext/2021/03000/Rapid_Development_of_a_Tool_for_Prioritizing.15.aspx

Vaccination status is not a factor of who gets care.

I find the "Social Equity" considerations rather troubling TBH. Medical decisions should be just that - medical decisions.

ezbee

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Uber Geek

#2855566 24-Jan-2022 13:06

Lets just say omicron got in via a parcel from Canada. Blame apportioned job done. Yeh Right !

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/highly-improbable-experts-dispute-claim-beijing-omicron-case-from-canadian-mail-1.5743254

I love how part of the proof was RNA detected on wrapping and box after the omicron infected person opened and handled it.
So proof that the person caught it from the box, and not the box catching it from the person was ?
We don't want to admit its already circulating.

Jase2985

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#2855619 24-Jan-2022 13:26

SJB:

Why were MIQ workers and Air NZ crew not being RAT tested every day once RAT's became internationally available?

MIQ staff in a Quarantine facility are tested each day they work, and testing in days off not exceeding 4 days between tests.
MIQ staff in an isolation facility are tested 2x per week (7days) worked no closer than 2 days apart. and testing in days off not exceeding 4 days between tests.

Testing is either saliva or up the nose PCR.

Im not sure what it is for other industries/workplaces

SJB

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#2855726 24-Jan-2022 13:54

Jase2985:

SJB:

Why were MIQ workers and Air NZ crew not being RAT tested every day once RAT's became internationally available?

MIQ staff in a Quarantine facility are tested each day they work, and testing in days off not exceeding 4 days between tests.
MIQ staff in an isolation facility are tested 2x per week (7days) worked no closer than 2 days apart. and testing in days off not exceeding 4 days between tests.

Testing is either saliva or up the nose PCR.

Im not sure what it is for other industries/workplaces

Twice a week for isolation staff with omicron around doesn't sound often enough IMO. It should be every day.

Jase2985

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#2855728 24-Jan-2022 14:01

when a case becomes positive they get moved from the isolation facility to the quarantine facility. there is very little contact with said person. and its always with 2 meter distancing and full PPE. Their movements are scrutinized and anyone who has been close to them is identified.

How many staff in isolation hotels have cause Covid from returning guests?

Scott3

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#2855747 24-Jan-2022 14:20

Today's press release.

25 community cases, including 8 linked to omicron infections.

50 border cases.

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/more-million-booster-doses-given-25-community-cases-10-hospital

On vaccination, we have seen a bit of an uptick in (12+) first doses yesterday, vs two Sundays ago (most recent sunday with wayback data). Supporting speculation that the omicron outbreak / alert level change would encourage some vaccinated to get their first dose.

yesterday:

Two Sundays ago (data to 11:59pm on the 9th dec):

DS248

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#2855752 24-Jan-2022 14:47

Novavax vaccine now approved by the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) for people aged 18 and over.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/novavax-covid-vaccine-atagi-approval-rollout-february/100777186

ezbee

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Uber Geek

#2855774 24-Jan-2022 15:42

Not sure what its like with Wellington public transport, but this makes no sense at all to control infection rate.

Public transport users furious at overcrowding as Auckland Transport defends decision to run reduced timetable despite Omicron outbreak
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/01/covid-19-public-transport-users-furious-at-overcrowding-as-auckland-transport-defends-decision-to-run-reduced-timetable-despite-omicron-outbreak.html

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