2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2856466 26-Jan-2022 09:35

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I thought contact tracing was going to stop once we hit 1,000 cases per day?

Quite likely. So how do you mitigate that? You minimize exposure among people you cannot identify or are with at any one time. Aka.. cover up around them.
Starting to make sense now? They're all based off how can we stop passing this on, and moh suggesting means.

It's only really set in stone for the workers of mandated location. The public have been advised they are now needed in the same setting.

BUT in the same breath they admitted it's going to be hard to police, and impractical to check the make-up of every cloth mask. So RECOMMEND medical ones.

Basically. Back to the initial message. Treat everyone as if they have it. Do the best you can as an individual to prevent spread should you.

Don't really need legislation to point that out. But some people need to be.... More encouraged.

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#2856467 26-Jan-2022 09:36

quickymart:
They were revolting (ie, unhappy with rules) or they were revolting (ie, they looked terrible and had bad personalities)? 😆

Purposeful. Both. The crazies ganged up on me.

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#2856491 26-Jan-2022 10:20

@debo:
vexxxboy:
debo: So I guess we will see bowls of peanuts on cafe tables so people can eat them while waiting for their coffee and no masking required. A cheap and effective solution.

the rules are not to punish you they are there to keep people safe, wear a mask when you can and maybe stop someones grandparent from dying

If you are sitting across from a covid positive person while having a coffee you are going to catch covid. Having a piece of material over your mouth while waiting for your coffee is not going to change the situation. If you don't want to kill grandma then don't go to a cafe during a pandemic.

This is not a certainty. Masks reduce the chance of this happening. Sure, it can happen but you have one little bit of extra protection.

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#2856516 26-Jan-2022 10:57

Yep too much binary thinking around.
Its layers of 'imperfect' prevention each % adding up along the way. In total.
Over a whole population this can make a big difference to speed of transmission by cutting a chain here and there.

Less people passing this onto less people, onto less people etc.

It also buys more time in the initial transmission, a slower start until exponential growth slope goes near vertical.
An extra week or two or three of manageable , before unmanageable is surely worth shooting for.

So vaccination of adults , children vaccinated 1st dose, and then 2nd, plus other measures.
It all adds to layers, layer by layer.
None are perfect, but as a total it has power.

There won't be enough tests, home shopping delivery, Healthline lines at some point, any extra delay is worth it.
More time for world to catch up on manufacture of tests and new treatments.

So much binary argument, with single digit precision too.
I once considered it a most unnatural number system, but seems its not.
How we came up with base 60 as earliest number system, that survives in Time, Angles and Position coordinates still puzzles me though.

Doing nothing because its not perfect, is no solution to anything.

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#2856532 26-Jan-2022 11:32

debo:

debo: So I guess we will see bowls of peanuts on cafe tables so people can eat them while waiting for their coffee and no masking required. A cheap and effective solution.

the rules are not to punish you they are there to keep people safe, wear a mask when you can and maybe stop someones grandparent from dying

If you are sitting across from a covid positive person while having a coffee you are going to catch covid. Having a piece of material over your mouth while waiting for your coffee is not going to change the situation. If you don't want to kill grandma then don't go to a cafe during a pandemic.

if everyone did that there would be no cafes.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2856546 26-Jan-2022 11:44

freitasm:
@debo:

If you are sitting across from a covid positive person while having a coffee you are going to catch covid. Having a piece of material over your mouth while waiting for your coffee is not going to change the situation. If you don't want to kill grandma then don't go to a cafe during a pandemic.

This is not a certainty. Masks reduce the chance of this happening. Sure, it can happen but you have one little bit of extra protection.

Sure, n95 and P2 masks reduce the chance but not cloth masks. It is like wearing a wooly hat as a substitute for a motorcycle crash helmet and thinking you are safe.

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#2856561 26-Jan-2022 12:00

debo: Sure, n95 and P2 masks reduce the chance but not cloth masks. It is like wearing a wooly hat as a substitute for a motorcycle crash helmet and thinking you are safe.

Doesn't really matter in the current context for whatever reason. Not being enforced. Only recommend if you go material to at least make it min 3 layers (like most of mine but not the local community made quick buck sewers)

As above, it's one line of defense. Not the sole one, but all attempts add up. Next to useless or otherwise. Believe You can still have a n95 and screw up the handling of it to totally negate its effectiveness too.

Bloomfield said medical surgical masks, or three-layer masks, or some combination of them, was recommended.

"We're not going to be recommending the use of N95s for the general public."

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#2856576 26-Jan-2022 12:21

Oblivian:
debo: Sure, n95 and P2 masks reduce the chance but not cloth masks. It is like wearing a wooly hat as a substitute for a motorcycle crash helmet and thinking you are safe.

Doesn't really matter in the current context for whatever reason. Not being enforced. Only recommend if you go material to at least make it min 3 layers (like most of mine but not the local community made quick buck sewers)

As above, it's one line of defense. Not the sole one, but all attempts add up. Next to useless or otherwise. Believe You can still have a n95 and screw up the handling of it to totally negate its effectiveness too.

Bloomfield said medical surgical masks, or three-layer masks, or some combination of them, was recommended.

"We're not going to be recommending the use of N95s for the general public."

I am a little confused about this. My understanding, also from past statements of specialists, is that masks are mainly useful to keep virus in, rather than keeping it out. Wearing a mask protects others if you are carrying an infection. If that is true, I would think even single-layer cloth masks would have some effect as they would limit spray from spreading. Is this wrong?

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#2856596 26-Jan-2022 12:48

Rikkitic:
I am a little confused about this. My understanding, also from past statements of specialists, is that masks are mainly useful to keep virus in, rather than keeping it out. Wearing a mask protects others if you are carrying an infection. If that is true, I would think even single-layer cloth masks would have some effect as they would limit spray from spreading. Is this wrong?

Yes. Same reason medical professionals have worn them while people are cut open infront of them.

But recent finds, is the aerosols from mouth can be smaller than the material patterning and pass through on a breath if not the right weave or layers to trap.

There's some videos out with eddy cameras showing leakage.

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#2856606 26-Jan-2022 13:07

Oblivian:

Yes. Same reason medical professionals have worn them while people are cut open infront of them.

But recent finds, is the aerosols from mouth can be smaller than the material patterning and pass through on a breath if not the right weave or layers to trap.

There's some videos out with eddy cameras showing leakage.

Okay. Thanks for explanation.

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#2856608 26-Jan-2022 13:12

Such an example. Naturally, it gets discounted because it's YouTube. But it's also visual science

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#2856609 26-Jan-2022 13:12

debo:

If you are sitting across from a covid positive person while having a coffee you are going to catch covid. Having a piece of material over your mouth while waiting for your coffee is not going to change the situation. If you don't want to kill grandma then don't go to a cafe during a pandemic.

Not everyone who sits next to a covid person will catch it.

But based on your thinking then if you don't want grandma to catch covid don't visit her during a pandemic.