2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2859160 31-Jan-2022 11:57

bazzer:
I'd be really interested to know why not, especially if that's how it's meant to work. I'm sure there's an explanation and I know that some people do get notified so it would be really great to understand how that process is meant to work. Honestly, that was the main motivation for using the app.

Not sure if you have been following mainstream. But today's revelation is they are no longer denoting a difference on the LoI register for delta/omicron. Because it takes too long to process and update, and they 'want everyone to treat any positive as omicron in the community and take it seriously'

Sounding as If part of the delay was awaiting the genome type before publishing.

So Just when you thought the logistics was, get them out. Send an alert secondary or alongside, Flag the type after the fact when results come in. It may not be

And some calls since we can't keep ahead of it without 100% usage (and that will just never happen, stand outside a retail store/foodie and watch...) to scrap it early. Radio said the moh responded that it's still helpful as a diary and help obtain details timely if you are using it. But no actual mention of alerting feature.

So it seems now more one side focused. Where have you been. Not trolling it and using it to let others know when not enough have it.

...And LoIs are ditched in phase 3

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/29/omicron-locations-no-longer-classified-separately-in-covid-list/

I've not pulled the data in a while but can bet it's usage has dropped well off since our prev delta outbreaks where it spiked and dropped again.

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#2859177 31-Jan-2022 12:37

I have no interest in keeping up with locations of interest. I still cannot understand why it takes longer to enter in a place manually then what it does to let the media know. Someone will be typing it in somewhere for it to be in the media release.

If someone is not using the scanner, yep it will be longer to let people know, but if by this time it is to late, then that would be the same for media releases

Once it is big daily numbers, it becomes moot anyway.

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#2859228 31-Jan-2022 12:54

I'm not sure what media releases you see with locations.

Some outlets are scraping the official site manually to fit their own layout and add to a written list a few. I don't believe media releases have locations. But the same regional breakdown data as the MoH send out and later update their page. But they are independent of each other.

The tracing team are home based contractors. They will be using a central system that is overviewed by Someone who's got medical background and so on to make decisions before handing over to the charged person to contact to the sites etc occurs before they're made public (and that still happens and causes delay)

Yay privacy.

Remember it also use to be only twice a day. Not evru 2hrs like it seems to be now.

List looks a lot different to day heralds...
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/contact-tracing-covid-19/covid-19-contact-tracing-locations-interest

And example of media release. With very little on location
https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/more-30000-boosters-given-yesterday-103-community-cases-11-hospital

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#2859287 31-Jan-2022 13:17

Ok, the details of locations that are in the media then. Someone must be entering details into a computer some where, why can’t these details be put in the system manully at same time so COVID applic can auto notify?

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#2859296 31-Jan-2022 13:43

Just took my son for a haircut at a barber at my local shops. I waited outside whilst he had his cut.

There is a dairy next door to the barber. 3 customers arrived over a space of about 10-15 mins and went into the dairy. Not one of those customers was wearing any mask/face coverings. None appeared to scan either. 🙄

If you can't laugh at yourself then you probably shouldn't laugh at others.

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#2859301 31-Jan-2022 13:52

Lack of personal responsibility is going to be our shortfall.

I do my best to keep my mucus to myself where possible. Prob not going to be able to prevent others keeping theirs to themselves. And track my movements to not feel guilty, should it be needed.

Hoping other people are as considerate. Get the feeling I'm largely alone by day to day experience however.

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#2859305 31-Jan-2022 14:04

Oblivian: Lack of personal responsibility is going to be our shortfall.

Just goes to prove "public" problems cannot be solved with "personal" solutions. See also inequality, climate change, etc etc etc. Same as the old adage that common sense really ain't so common.

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#2859306 31-Jan-2022 14:12

Todays media release:

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/more-13000-boosters-given-yesterday-91-community-cases-10-hospital

91 community cases.

Turns out those 40 extra cases in Auckland didn't exist. Everything has been reconciled, and the number of cases reported yesterday was correct, so nothing needed to be added to yesterdays numbers.

As is normal for Sundays, vaccination numbers are fairly low (cira 1/4 to 1/3rd of weekdays): Vaccines administered yesterday: 401 first doses;710 second doses; 4,208 paediatric doses; 13,376 booster doses.

But we have crossed 1/3rd of the 5-11 age band having their first dose, which is pritty good for under two weeks.

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#2859313 31-Jan-2022 14:26

NSW having a plateau in hospital load over an extended period:

I had been expecting a sharper peak.

NSW seem to he handling this level of hospital load, but we will need to do better, given our lesser capacity. We have been doing good on the vaccination front, but now is really the time to step up again with primary doses & 4+ month boosters. Whatever it takes, some combination of the below:

Wider reaching mandates
Big marketing push
Another "Vaxathon"
Incentives (relatively low value.. $50 - 100 cash / supermarket voucher etc.) - Need to require ID to be issued a voucher to prevent fraud.

I think in 1 - 2 weeks time, we should open up 3 month boosters (as per locations like the UK), but stick with the 4 month recommendation

And obviously we need to remove the 4 month + 1 day issue ASAP. Should be very easy to change the policy and software system so that 4 months exactly is fine. This kind of thing just pisses people off. If you are promoting people get boosted in 4 months, you should actually be able to do so.

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#2859319 31-Jan-2022 14:53

Oblivian: Lack of personal responsibility is going to be our shortfall.

I do my best to keep my mucus to myself where possible. Prob not going to be able to prevent others keeping theirs to themselves. And track my movements to not feel guilty, should it be needed.

Hoping other people are as considerate. Get the feeling I'm largely alone by day to day experience however.

Too many people are either supermarket shopping without masks or having them under their nose, and most are just using cloth masks. There is no enforcement or checking, and even some staff are either not wearing masks or have their mask hanging low. Some people may have exceptions but people I have seen without masks usually don't have any lanyard around their neck showing they have an exemption. So as cases grow, I can see the viral load in super markets increasing and it becoming more and more risky. Especially IMO as many people won't get tested when we get thousands of cases a day or won't isolate and will treat it more like a cold.

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#2859323 31-Jan-2022 14:58

Scott3:

Wider reaching mandates
Big marketing push
Another "Vaxathon"
Incentives (relatively low value.. $50 - 100 cash / supermarket voucher etc.) - Need to require ID to be issued a voucher to prevent fraud.

Sounds mostly good but any valued incentive is unacceptable IMO. The government shouldn't have to commit political suicide - which is what giving bonuses to antivaxers would be, even if they didn't take the money. Most of them probably wouldn't.

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#2859395 31-Jan-2022 15:50

About the pregnant journalist. There is always another side to the story:

"I want to be clear, there is a place in MIQ for people with special circumstances like Ms Bellis. No one's saying there is not," Hipkins said.

"I understand she wanted to return on a specific date and that officials reached out to her for more information shortly after looking at her application.

"The emergency allocation criteria includes a requirement to travel to New Zealand within the next 14 days.

"Ms Bellis indicated she did not intend to travel until the end of February and has been encouraged by MIQ to consider moving her plans forward.

"I understand officials have also since invited her to apply for another emergency category. I encourage her to take these offers seriously.

"I also understand she was offered New Zealand consular assistance twice since she returned to Afghanistan in early December but has not responded. Again, I encourage her to take up any offers of assistance."

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#2859440 31-Jan-2022 18:12

freitasm:

About the pregnant journalist. There is always another side to the story:

"I want to be clear, there is a place in MIQ for people with special circumstances like Ms Bellis. No one's saying there is not," Hipkins said.

"I understand she wanted to return on a specific date and that officials reached out to her for more information shortly after looking at her application.

"The emergency allocation criteria includes a requirement to travel to New Zealand within the next 14 days.

"Ms Bellis indicated she did not intend to travel until the end of February and has been encouraged by MIQ to consider moving her plans forward.

"I understand officials have also since invited her to apply for another emergency category. I encourage her to take these offers seriously.

"I also understand she was offered New Zealand consular assistance twice since she returned to Afghanistan in early December but has not responded. Again, I encourage her to take up any offers of assistance."

I see a well paid article and pictures of the happy couple in a Womans Weekly in the not too distant future.

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#2859506 31-Jan-2022 20:14

China bans meat from tenth Australian abattoir in response to media reports, says analyst
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-31/china-export-ban-for-australian-abattoir/100792412

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Meat processing giant Teys has been informed by Chinese authorities that its Naracoorte plant in South Australia which had a high-profile COVID-19 outbreak earlier in the year, has been temporarily suspended from exporting to China.
""

There have been warnings re exports to China it could be tricky.
While common sense would say thins should not become an issue as omicron spreads you never know.

So far we have good exports, high prices for our commodities, and the dollar being a tad lower helps exporters too.

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#2859509 31-Jan-2022 20:22

freitasm:
About the pregnant journalist. There is always another side to the story:

"I want to be clear, there is a place in MIQ for people with special circumstances like Ms Bellis. No one's saying there is not," Hipkins said.

"I understand she wanted to return on a specific date and that officials reached out to her for more information shortly after looking at her application.

"The emergency allocation criteria includes a requirement to travel to New Zealand within the next 14 days.

"Ms Bellis indicated she did not intend to travel until the end of February and has been encouraged by MIQ to consider moving her plans forward.

"I understand officials have also since invited her to apply for another emergency category. I encourage her to take these offers seriously.

"I also understand she was offered New Zealand consular assistance twice since she returned to Afghanistan in early December but has not responded. Again, I encourage her to take up any offers of assistance."

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/tudor-clee-there-is-no-reason-for-bellis-to-lie-to-the-government/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=apps

Copy paste to get more details on the interview from her lawyer.

Tudor Clee the lawyer has been doing pro Bono work. MIQ give the voucher after declining pregnancy applications but after the threat of court action and on a consistent basis.

The threat to life is around child birth in Afghanistan and I believe she’s due in May. Her partner and the father of her child is supporting her currently. I don’t know what her family support situation is in NZ but it’s fair to say she’s relying on the support of her partner and there is nothing wrong with that. It’s to be encouraged. He can’t leave right now due to work.

The emergency allocation needs to be within 14 days of travel or something, but apparently MBIE so busy they don’t reliably get back to applicants in time. ie the system doesn’t work as it should so leaving the application until then seems risky. It’s fair to apply ahead of time rather than leave things until the last minute in pregnancy so good on her for being organized.

MBIE says apply via a different category which currently doesn’t apply to her situation. But you know if MBIE have all the info they need they could just transfer the details for her. Tunnel vision on MBIEs part.

Through other forums it appears the people making the assessments aren’t actually qualified for the job. Tudor has been trying to verify this with more evidence but their interactions with the system is highly suggestive to date.

Edit- actually apparently in the category she applied for there is a clause for applying outside the 14 day travel period. You can follow Tudor on Twitter, but no trolling.

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