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#2859510 31-Jan-2022 20:23

Not helping with petrol prices though...which I find weird, as I recall during the level 4 lockdown in 2020 it went as low as $1.73. But now it's going the other direction - although admittedly we aren't in lockdown at the moment, but a number of larger countries are.

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#2859615 31-Jan-2022 21:39

Covid and Oil.
Maybe once you turn the taps down it takes a long time for the guy to walk to the end of the pipe and turn it back on again.
Then he finds the valve is stuck, has to walk back and get an engineer to look at it.
Then...

Yeh considering all the news about struggling oil economies, you would think they would be making up for lost income.
Apparently some don't want to pump too much in case price collapses if covid causes a dip, but market is humming ?

Japan is getting hit badly apparently as it now uses a lot of oil to generate electricity and make up for off line Nuclear.
The price of having a bath.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-11-21/oil-price-rises-hit-japan-s-bathhouses-fisheries-gasoline-prices

Maybe it will hit their car and semiconductor industries too as power hungry industries ?

Backup generators and switchgear in the basement... What could go wrong...

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#2859678 31-Jan-2022 23:13

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/laurence-fox-covid-vaccine-ivermectin-b2003899.html

Laurence Fox, another noisy alt-right anti vax idiot, contracts covid.

Hopefully it'll finish him off.

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#2859683 31-Jan-2022 23:53

arcon:

Scott3:

Wider reaching mandates
Big marketing push
Another "Vaxathon"
Incentives (relatively low value.. $50 - 100 cash / supermarket voucher etc.) - Need to require ID to be issued a voucher to prevent fraud.

Sounds mostly good but any valued incentive is unacceptable IMO. The government shouldn't have to commit political suicide - which is what giving bonuses to antivaxers would be, even if they didn't take the money. Most of them probably wouldn't.

I don't think it would be politically suicide. There was an extended period last year where incentives (petrol vouchers / supermarket vouchers / Food packs etc.) were widely available in poorer area's to those who were slow to get their primary doses. Had a heap of that kinda stuff on the Vaxathon day too. No big public outcry about that. Gift's do seems to have largely dried up this year.

I think the vast majority of the public recognize that value of the protection by having the vaccine early outweighs missing out on a $50 - 100 supermarket voucher.

We could always include people who are up to date in the offer. Call it an Omicron stimulus payment, and send everybody who is currently up to date with their vaccination's $100 (Say 1st not less than 4 weeks ago, 2nd not less than 5 months ago, or with a booster). 2 or 3 week window for those not current to get current to claim their $100.

Or we could do something left field. Say $500 for a vaccinated person who brings an unvaccianted person (12+ years) to a vaccination location and they get their first dose.

[edit] - incentives have been available as recently as the 22nd of Jan. No public outcry about this, and I have no issue with it:

Now is the time to panic vaccinate. Omicron is here, and Peer location's experiences like NSW has not been great.

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#2859684 1-Feb-2022 00:01

Scott3:

NSW seem to he handling this level of hospital load, but we will need to do better, given our lesser capacity.

I might have got this a bit wrong. Emphasis mine.

"Record high Covid deaths and thousands of hospitalisations are raising alarm about the ability of New South Wales hospitals to cope with the current scale of the pandemic.

Australia's shadow health minister, Ryan Park, told Sydney radio station 2GB on Monday the health system was "in absolute crisis and at breaking point".

"We cannot simply have a health system that goes on like this, because there is too much strain on our health workers," Park said.

Sunday was the deadliest day for NSW during the pandemic, with 52 deaths. Of those, 31 were aged-care residents.

Long wait times for elective surgery due to limited hospital resources were another concern, Park said."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-omicron-concerns-in-nsw-over-rising-death-rates-hospitals-ability-to-cope-with-surge/VI3JRI725ERZOIZ4WND2GRIZFU/

We need to do better than NSW.

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#2859720 1-Feb-2022 08:50

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Not helping with petrol prices though...which I find weird, as I recall during the level 4 lockdown in 2020 it went as low as $1.73. But now it's going the other direction - although admittedly we aren't in lockdown at the moment, but a number of larger countries are.

I think the key thing is that we are in *post*-lockdown. The 2020 covid-induced? Saudi/Russia oil price war is sadly over. The economy is booming in many countries, limited by transportation of goods. So demand for automotive (& shipping?) fuel is high. On the back of this strong demand, Saudi Arabia raised prices in January and will do so again in March...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/saudi-arabia-may-raise-march-crude-oil-prices-asia-2022-01-26/

SINGAPORE, Jan 26 (Reuters) - Top oil exporter Saudi Arabia may raise prices of all grades of crude it sells to Asia in March on firm demand and stronger margins for gasoil and jet fuel, trade sources said.

The March official selling price (OSP) for flagship Arab Light crude could rise by about 60 cents a barrel from the previous month, according to seven refining sources surveyed by Reuters on Jan 25-26, which would mark a rebound after a $1.10 a barrel cut in February.

At the same time, airlines are still going slow, so demand for jet fuel is low. I speculate that perhaps refineries and the rest of the oil industry infrastructure is optimised for a mix of output which includes a certain proportion of jet fuel. Since the demand for jet fuel is down, the system is running sub-optimally and prices are higher.

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#2859723 1-Feb-2022 08:59

I probably don't understand but I thought if demand went down, prices would then drop?

In the housing thread I speculated on what would happen if (somehow) 100,000 houses came on the market overnight - I thought prices would drop substantially; does the same thing not apply with fuel?

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#2859784 1-Feb-2022 10:39

Opinion piece extolling why MIQ should be removed:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127644810/covid19-why-the-bellis-should-be-tolled-for-miq

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#2859788 1-Feb-2022 10:42

quickymart:

Opinion piece extolling why MIQ should be removed:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127644810/covid19-why-the-bellis-should-be-tolled-for-miq

If Omicron progresses as expected and we have 1000s of cases a day by mid Feb, there is certainly no longer any reason not to allow Boosted neg testing travellers to self isolate...

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#2859797 1-Feb-2022 10:59

quickymart:

I probably don't understand but I thought if demand went down, prices would then drop?

In the housing thread I speculated on what would happen if (somehow) 100,000 houses came on the market overnight - I thought prices would drop substantially; does the same thing not apply with fuel?

Demand is going up, not down, so prices are rising.

Plus there is the OPEC oligopoly, led by Saudi Arabia, that maximises oil prices as best it can by controlling supply.

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#2859807 1-Feb-2022 11:14

quickymart:

Opinion piece extolling why MIQ should be removed:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127644810/covid19-why-the-bellis-should-be-tolled-for-miq

If MIQ was dropped Omicron would flood NZ, there are many arriving daily, so why flood NZ now, while we are getting the laggards vaccinated, and more importantly, boosting those that are due or near due and the 5-11yo's? There will be a time when it wont matter, that's not now. If anyone wants Omicron to invade NZ sooner, then they should say that. "Buying Time" is what we have been doing to maximise our overall protection.

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#2859809 1-Feb-2022 11:17

tdgeek:

quickymart:

Opinion piece extolling why MIQ should be removed:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127644810/covid19-why-the-bellis-should-be-tolled-for-miq

If MIQ was dropped Omicron would flood NZ, there are many arriving daily, so why flood NZ now, while we are getting the laggards vaccinated and the 5-11yo? There will be a time when it wont matter, that's not now. If anyone wants Omicron to invade NZ sooner, then they should say that. "Buying Time" is what we have been doing.

Agreed, and waiting till the 5-11s and boosters are done is a good idea. However, by the time they are done, there will be another variant/threat.

I think a lot of people are now in the Vaxxed and Done camp (me included). We've done our bit, we've got our jabs, we've stayed home. Time to go. Give us a date that we need to be boosted by and we need to have our kids protected by, and we can aim for that.

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#2859813 1-Feb-2022 11:27

frankv:

quickymart:

I probably don't understand but I thought if demand went down, prices would then drop?

In the housing thread I speculated on what would happen if (somehow) 100,000 houses came on the market overnight - I thought prices would drop substantially; does the same thing not apply with fuel?

Demand is going up, not down, so prices are rising.

Plus there is the OPEC oligopoly, led by Saudi Arabia, that maximises oil prices as best it can by controlling supply.

Heading slightly OT but I think you'll find the closing of Marsden point has a lot more to do with it. Meaning rather than storing lots of fuel in NZ we now hold less and buy it from Asia at inflated market rates, this has caused the rise towards $3 a litre along with higher international prices. We are affected much quicker now though

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#2859890 1-Feb-2022 12:47

trig42:

Agreed, and waiting till the 5-11s and boosters are done is a good idea. However, by the time they are done, there will be another variant/threat.

I think a lot of people are now in the Vaxxed and Done camp (me included). We've done our bit, we've got our jabs, we've stayed home. Time to go. Give us a date that we need to be boosted by and we need to have our kids protected by, and we can aim for that.

The issue with the 'me' camp and my partner had to remind me this morning is that while the 5-11s are in the process of being vaxxed (my two have had their first dose), we cannot yet vaccinate the 0-4s so effectively if we 'open up' early we are not giving these young children an opportunity to be protected. With about 200K children in this age range that could leave up to 400K adults in an isolated state. Ultimately the red settings is open to those that are vaxxed so apart from those protecting the young (e.g. me until my two are fully vaccianted) and waiting for the booster life can continue on...

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#2859895 1-Feb-2022 12:57

UK government has dropped mandatory vax for frontline NHS staff. Something like 70,000 are unvaxed.

A purely political decision and a kick in the teeth for those that only want contact with vaxed NHS staff and those people (who I don't agree with obviously) who felt they were forced to get vaxed to save their jobs.

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