2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2860210 1-Feb-2022 19:14

tdgeek:

JaseNZ:

I would be interested to know the truth on the she was offered the help of the embassy twice but refused it where she is saying they never offered anything.

What if it was me and I was pregnant? Slight biological problem there :-) but lets be diverse... If I was not a journo is that ok?

If you are normally resident in UK, have NHS to call on etc then its probably not an emergency.
Similarly with Portugal or EU countries with mostly great medical.

One can see problems if you made it universal that immediate shortcut for you and the father of the baby.
No matter the circumstance that immigration have to consider with the father too.

Of course for no MIQ crowd its easy, but others will pay price for that kind of thing not them.
That time will come and it won't be popular but there are no prizes for jumping the gun on freedum day.

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#2860212 1-Feb-2022 19:22

Rikkitic:

tdgeek:My mate is a pom (I have his permission to state that) he says Kiwis whine more, he's right.

Or forget any restrictions but no whining

I thought poms were the whingers.

We enjoy whinging. It's a national past time.

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#2860213 1-Feb-2022 19:25

JaseNZ:

I would be interested to know the truth on the she was offered the help of the embassy twice but refused it where she is saying they never offered anything.

If you were looking out for the well being of your baby would you go to a country that has no functioning health service and treats women as if it was still the middle ages.

chatterbox

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#2860221 1-Feb-2022 19:55

SJB:
JaseNZ:

I would be interested to know the truth on the she was offered the help of the embassy twice but refused it where she is saying they never offered anything.

If you were looking out for the well being of your baby would you go to a country that has no functioning health service and treats women as if it was still the middle ages.

Qatar would have thrown her in jail being pregnant and not married.
Belgium they left 6 weeks up their sleeves in case they needed it in an emergency.
Afghanistan her and partner could legally be there and actually enter unlike NZ. Taliban didn’t pose a risk to her.
She’s not due to give birth until May so no immediate risk to her. The risk is around maternity services in Afghanistan not being of the same standard as those in NZ and she has a right to return to NZ.

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#2860229 1-Feb-2022 20:33

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/murupara-doctor-suspended-from-practising-medicine-after-30-years/FBQ3YTZZUG7U4BNTSHNUBTI2FY/

Finally, this is quite overdue. I had a snicker when I saw this "doctor" whining (since we're talking about whining) about the Customs seizing his shipment of Ivermectin to treat coronavirus. Mate, horse dewormer ain't going to treat jack for any person. Get with the programme.

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#2860241 1-Feb-2022 20:52

tdgeek:

JaseNZ:

I would be interested to know the truth on the she was offered the help of the embassy twice but refused it where she is saying they never offered anything.

What if it was me and I was pregnant? Slight biological problem there :-) but lets be diverse... If I was not a journo is that ok?

She made her choice to be over there and is whinging now she has not got her way. Government caved imo and just made a joke of MIQ because they gave her preferential treatment.

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#2860245 1-Feb-2022 21:11

chatterbox:

Afghanistan her and partner could legally be there and actually enter unlike NZ. Taliban didn’t pose a risk to her.
She’s not due to give birth until May so no immediate risk to her. The risk is around maternity services in Afghanistan not being of the same standard as those in NZ and she has a right to return to NZ.

I bet for a lot of women in Afghanistan there are no maternity services at all. The Taliban would have put her to the front of the queue if she stayed to show what 'kind and considerate' people they were strictly for the publicity that she made possible for them.

She has a right to apply for an MIQ spot when it opens again like anybody else but without resorting to blackmailing the NZ Government by using her knowledge and contacts in the media.

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#2860251 1-Feb-2022 21:20

vexxxboy:

personally and being very selfish , my booster is in a week if we could keep it slightly under control at both border and community until then i would be grateful , and i would not be the only one.

There is a government vaccine announcement tomorrow. Media are speculating a shortened booster gap.

Dropping to 3 months (what the UK did, so not unprecedented), would make those that got their second dose in October eligible. Would cover large numbers of people as that is when many who had their first dose when we had our delta outbreak, got their second dose. Given we are seeing rapid Omicron growth, and have plenty of doses and vaccination center capacity, now seems to be a good time to take that step.

Outside of something else (more mandates, incentives etc.), but I am picking it will be the above.

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#2860253 1-Feb-2022 21:31

tdgeek:

rugrat:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/02/58-million-covid-19-rapid-antigen-tests-secured-as-modelling-shows-demand-could-reach-9-million-a-week.amp.html

36 million more supply of rapid tests secured over two months. Brings total to 58 million. Demand for tests at peak could reach 9 million a week.

What benefit will this tests bring? Aside from not being very accurate, but say they were very accurate.

In short:

We are going to run out of PCR testing capacity in a few weeks. Capacity falls, as rates of positive rise, as pooling of multiple samples needs to be stopped (or reduced in size). This happened in NSW. 5+ hour waits at test centers, then 5+ day waits for test results.
Having large numbers of RAT's can be used to supplement our PCR test program, Use for those who are close contacts, have very mild symptoms etc. Will miss 20% of cases, but the alternative is no test at all. PCR tests can be used to confirm Positive RAT's, and for those with serious symptoms.
We were (or are in the case of airline / cook straight ferries), using these for those vaccinated adults leaving Auckland, or flying domestically. Could step that up the omicron wave.
Our plan when we get to latter phases of our omicron wave, where staffing of essential services becomes problematic, is to use daily RAT's as a alternative to isolation for those who have been close contacts.
In Aussie, entire schools (Staff & students) are getting tested twice a weak. We could adopt the same approach, to try and avoid schools being massive vectors of omicron spread.

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#2860266 1-Feb-2022 22:06

Appears there will be an announcement on Thursday.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127658170/kiwis-set-to-learn-more-about-how-nz-will-reconnect-with-the-rest-of-the-world

chatterbox

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#2860345 2-Feb-2022 00:10

SJB:
chatterbox:

Afghanistan her and partner could legally be there and actually enter unlike NZ. Taliban didn’t pose a risk to her.
She’s not due to give birth until May so no immediate risk to her. The risk is around maternity services in Afghanistan not being of the same standard as those in NZ and she has a right to return to NZ.

I bet for a lot of women in Afghanistan there are no maternity services at all. The Taliban would have put her to the front of the queue if she stayed to show what 'kind and considerate' people they were strictly for the publicity that she made possible for them.

She has a right to apply for an MIQ spot when it opens again like anybody else but without resorting to blackmailing the NZ Government by using her knowledge and contacts in the media.

I’d hedge my bets most women in Afghanistan aren’t NZ passport holders with the right to return to NZ. Childbirth isn’t a smooth ride for everyone so best she’s in her own home country to receive the same services every other pregnant woman is entitled to.

She’s only in Afghanistan due to her partner, having a visa & she’s not at risk of being thrown in jail. Moving from country to country living in hotels isn’t a solution until NZ decides to open its border.

She never blackmailed the govt. she just highlighted the inadequacies of NZs border situation especially at this stage of the pandemic. She used the same lawyer others have been using. Media elsewhere have already picked up on other kiwis stories prior to this one coming out.

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#2860348 2-Feb-2022 00:43

Scott3:

vexxxboy:

personally and being very selfish , my booster is in a week if we could keep it slightly under control at both border and community until then i would be grateful , and i would not be the only one.

There is a government vaccine announcement tomorrow. Media are speculating a shortened booster gap.

Dropping to 3 months (what the UK did, so not unprecedented), would make those that got their second dose in October eligible. Would cover large numbers of people as that is when many who had their first dose when we had our delta outbreak, got their second dose. Given we are seeing rapid Omicron growth, and have plenty of doses and vaccination center capacity, now seems to be a good time to take that step.

Outside of something else (more mandates, incentives etc.), but I am picking it will be the above.

Those people are pretty much due to get it now or in the next few weeks. So I am not sure they will reduce it. Especially as I don't know if they have supply to do it. It is a PITA when they do, because then if you have booked, you then have to go to the back of the queue. This happened to me last time and I spent about 3 hours in a queue getting it, when I was booked in and should have got it within half an hour. Wouldn't be surprised if the wait has put some people off getting it.

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#2860448 2-Feb-2022 09:47

SJB:

If you were looking out for the well being of your baby would you go to a country that has no functioning health service and treats women as if it was still the middle ages.

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She has a right to apply for an MIQ spot when it opens again like anybody else but without resorting to blackmailing the NZ Government by using her knowledge and contacts in the media.

Jeepers given the +1s on these posts I fear that average New Zealander has lost their way! People live, work and have lives outside of NZ, its all very well suggesting she should lump it, but walk a mile in someone's shoes that has to pay their mortgage or rent, pay for food. Have you stopped and thought for a second why this made world news? Yes her contacts meant she could get the story out, but the story is the reason it was run in all of these countries. Its not normal to lock out people for over two years, and then have zero flexibility in your process to return. She is far from blackmailing anyone, she is purely telling it how it is - and she is only the tip of a very large ice-berg

Make no mistake the government response was excellent prior to the Delta outbreak. However the Ministry of health is found wanting in preparedness for this incoming Omicron wave. There is no escaping it, and we are ill-prepared. Any health system can look rock solid when there are near zero hospital cases, but we knew we could not stay shut forever.

This morning it is clear the MoH has sat on reviewing RATs that they have now decided are fine, why would we not have prepared prior? There are going to be some pretty disturbing findings from all of the OIA's that are no doubt in the works around this.

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#2860461 2-Feb-2022 10:30

chatterbox:

Afghanistan her and partner could legally be there and actually enter unlike NZ. Taliban didn’t pose a risk to her.

I think that's naive. She did say that she asked someone in the Taliban, and they said "No problem, we won't enforce the law as it applies to you". However, if there was a bit of a power shift or whatever and her helpful turn-a-blind-eye protector suddenly isn't around, or it is no longer convenient for them, she could find herself in a *very* difficult position. And she's doubled down on that bet by making an international kerfuffle out of it. Possibly by making this arrangement highly visible, she may be causing it to break down. Imagine if someone in NZ said that (e.g.) they had overstayed their visa but wouldn't be deported because the Minister had unofficially told his staff not to prosecute.

Personally, I'd much rather have risked being an overstayer in Belgium, where (a) getting a flight to NZ within 2 weeks wouldn't be a problem, and (b) worst case you get [tada!] deported back to NZ.

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#2860601 2-Feb-2022 12:09

mattwnz:

Those people are pretty much due to get it now or in the next few weeks. So I am not sure they will reduce it. Especially as I don't know if they have supply to do it. It is a PITA when they do, because then if you have booked, you then have to go to the back of the queue. This happened to me last time and I spent about 3 hours in a queue getting it, when I was booked in and should have got it within half an hour. Wouldn't be surprised if the wait has put some people off getting it.

Our biggest day of vaccinations was super Saturday on the 17th of October 2021.

Using the 4 months + 1 day, these people will become eligible on the 18th of Feb. 16 days from today... Add 7 days for the booster to become effective, and that's 23 day's.

If a 3 day doubling rate holds true, in 23 days time we will have 26,000 daily case's in NZ.

I would be really ideal to have those people boosted this week or Next week. You are correct that they are becoming due in the next few weeks, but we are at a point in our omicron wave were weeks matter. Would be ideal to get these people boosted over the next week or two.

Surge circled in the below is largely made up of second doses, and people that are not quite eligible for a booster at 4 months + 1 day.

Given we are well below our peak vaccination rate last year, and there are not many more vaccination locations, overall we shouldn't have too much of an issue in terms of capacity. That said, hopefully a lot more resources are sent this way, to improve the experience. And ideally bookings are prioritized at the centers (to encourage bookings which by design spread load over the day, and locations). When I got my booster, apparently there was a really distinct mid morning lull every day at that particular location.

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