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  #2863003 7-Feb-2022 12:47
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Also - "NZDSOS" - that conspiracy NZ Doctors Speaking out against science or whatever the hell they're called. Well known for spreading misinformation all over the show.

 

Would love to see this bs "notice of liability" thing of theirs get argued in court. Wouldn't stand a chance.




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  #2863009 7-Feb-2022 13:15
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RNZ have a plot that I'm reasonably skeptical of:

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/450874/covid-19-data-visualisations-nz-in-numbers

 

 

It appears to indicate that in the current outbreak the incidence of COVID-19 is lowest for people who are unvaccinated, highest in individuals who are ineligible for the vaccine, and somewhere in the middle for fully and partially vaccinated individuals.

 

A priori you would expect the incidence for the Ineligible and Unvaccinated groups to be similar. They are both unvaccinated, with the main difference in the demographics.

 

I'd say there is a issue with data numerators, denominators, calculations, or that uncertainty is large enough that point estimates don't mean much. Alternatively there is a strong bias going on, one potential being the unvaccinated might be much less likely to get tested and hence less likely to appear as cases.




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  #2863011 7-Feb-2022 13:22
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Batman:

hunger strike to leave MIQ https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/127703803/we-won-nilbymouth-striker-confirmed-he-will-be-let-out-to-see-dying-dad


 



What a crock. There are no exemptions - period - until a day 3 negative test has been produced. His hunger strike has nothing to do with it.

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  #2863012 7-Feb-2022 13:23
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188 cases, low testing, makes sense. Seems the get vaccinated to travel and negative tests to travel are a waste of time with 27 at the border, and a daily occurrence. 


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  #2863020 7-Feb-2022 13:37
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So not only did they waste a lot of people's time this morning

They have left a bunch of old sheets blowing in the wind above the state highway threatening to cause an accident

Or need to be cleaned up by the council.

Nevermind those minor potentials. ' we got heard'

 
 
 
 

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  #2863021 7-Feb-2022 13:48
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RNZ 7 day rolling plot.

 

Small numbers, early days and sentinel cases may lean towards workers who are tested and vaccinated.
Others may hold off due to holiday plans and it being mild why bother.

 

Positivity rate 1.1% is highest we have had going back beyond Sept, so there is much more out there. 
November peak was 0.7

 

Oh that's an odd plot, 
Its proportion of that segment within that segment.
Not proportion vs each other.

 

Yeh at the moment its a bit of a measure of who is likely to get tested ?
So a family has an index case found through work testing or tracing,
and a bunch of ineligible get tested ( Children ).
Though report today of cases at Hamilton Christian school.

 

Ineligible are unvaccinated by definition.
We don't expect much from single dose, and that's not vaccinated.
So I would call them all part of the set of unvaccinated.


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  #2863023 7-Feb-2022 13:58
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Oblivian: So not only did they waste a lot of people's time this morning

They have left a bunch of old sheets blowing in the wind above the state highway threatening to caused an accident

Or need to be cleaned up by the council.

Nevermind those minor potentials. ' we got heard'

 

The "convoy" losers?

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127704913/freedom-convoy-makes-its-way-up-the-south-island

 

She said the policy was turning Kiwis against Kiwis.

 

“We should all be looking after each other.”

 

So everyone getting vaccinated against a deadly disease isn't "looking after each other"?

 

 


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  #2863028 7-Feb-2022 14:11
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Nope. It's 'discrimination' and causing us to call morons out for being morons when we are meant to be 'they are not us' only to bad people. And 'breaching rights' by believing the MSM (main stream media) and don't we all forget it!

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  #2863035 7-Feb-2022 14:56
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What with the doof and the American flags on his car


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  #2863061 7-Feb-2022 15:53
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Zigg:

 

What with the doof and the American flags on his car

 

 

The morons part.





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  #2863085 7-Feb-2022 17:40
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zenourn:

 

RNZ have a plot that I'm reasonably skeptical of:

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/450874/covid-19-data-visualisations-nz-in-numbers

 

...

 

It appears to indicate that in the current outbreak the incidence of COVID-19 is lowest for people who are unvaccinated, highest in individuals who are ineligible for the vaccine, and somewhere in the middle for fully and partially vaccinated individuals.

 

A priori you would expect the incidence for the Ineligible and Unvaccinated groups to be similar. They are both unvaccinated, with the main difference in the demographics.

 

I'd say there is a issue with data numerators, denominators, calculations, or that uncertainty is large enough that point estimates don't mean much. Alternatively there is a strong bias going on, one potential being the unvaccinated might be much less likely to get tested and hence less likely to appear as cases.

 

 

A variety of reasons, some discussed by others already.  Add mildly impacted unvaccinated perhaps reluctant to be tested?

 

But there is a more relevant chart directly below the one you posted that shows unvaccinated 11x more likely per capita to be hospitalised; ie. 0.11/100k unvaccinated vs 0.01/100k fully vaccinated.

 

And this just the start of the Omicron wave.

 

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/450874/covid-19-data-visualisations-nz-in-numbers

 

 


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  #2863116 7-Feb-2022 18:26
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They had video of the 'convoy' on 3 from the north. One of them couldn't have been futher across double yellow before realising there was a camera on them.

Heaps of sign written (small business/own business) type vehicle/ people. Some builder like vans.

Seems to go with that territory. Much like car people. They seem to think it's all bs too.

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  #2863127 7-Feb-2022 19:00
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Daynger:

 

Just had a stupid post this up on facederp in a tradie group.

 

He is a bit miffed that course providers that supply a course he needs to keep his license are requiring a vaccine pass, he thinks serving them with a printout of one of these notices will change something.

 

Its an interesting theory.....

 

https://nzdsos.com/notice-of-liability/?fbclid=IwAR2oDHpCHAbvSNlpO1P8iJWDeP2iVDlm8_4_9Rmu-wEjyKNATdWOv7PGM3Q

 

 

Isn't the entire concept of having to have a license to practice a trade a form of discrimination? I thought they were against that?





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