2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2873288 23-Feb-2022 14:37

mattwnz:

I am a bit confused as to why we have moved to this phase so early . This outbreak is still in early stages, so why not just move to this stage when they went to stage 2 if they are going this early to keep work places open. Stage 3 will likely increase the infection rate, rather than flattening the cure as a much as possible. Many people are shielding anyway and not going out and about, so the current response in at least the next few months is not the best economic response.

Shielding away is only going to do so much as everyone who you live with needs to shield away if you want it to work.

This wave is doing it's thing and the measures we used before can only do so much or take far too long. If you want to totally avoid it then live alone and don't go near anyone is about the only thing you can do.

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#2873291 23-Feb-2022 14:45

mattwnz:

Many people are shielding anyway and not going out and about, so the current response in at least the next few months is not the best economic response.

Own question answered. They opened up the purses yesterday to businesses again. And even more are closing due to low turnover. Don't want framework to be 'the reason' for it. If can be seen as allowing people to go about business, it's the publics response making low patronage. Then it's no longer on the govt.

I also noticed that there are no locations of interest on the map in the Wairarapa despite their being quite a lot of cases, I think 16 today, and there were 10 in a few schools last week, and otheres reported in previous days. Are they now not bothering to update the locations of interest? Is it because people don't want to be forced to isolate? What the point of scanning now, if they aren't updating the locations of interest where there are relatively low number of cases still?

For the move to digital tracing as outlined in Phase2 planning.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/461620/omicron-phase-two-covid-19-cases-will-soon-be-doing-their-own-contact-tracing

The next step will be uploading the Covid Tracer App diary. Anyone who does not use the app or had missing entries will be asked to add details of any high-risk places or close contacts manually.

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#2873324 23-Feb-2022 15:50

Paul1977:

Buster:

I think we are close to Red Phase 3 now so close contact isolation times are about to be reduced to, like you say, keep work places open.

I thought it was more a change of criteria as to what constituted a "close contact", but isolation periods remain unchanged? Unless they've changed it again.

No, I think you are right. I'm a critical worker (electricity) and we can get back to work after a negative test rather than ongoing isolation (even in Phase 2) I think. Hasn't been put to the test yet. I had two days off recently waiting on a PRC test result despite a negative RAT test at home.

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#2873340 23-Feb-2022 16:14

mkissin:

Aside from some border issues which will relax over the next while, there's literally nothing you're currently prevented from doing. Go live your life!

The government is currently just trying to flatten the curve as best they can. That way if you get some very run-of-the-mill illness that would usually be no big deal, you don't turn up to hospital and get ignored because they're chock full of "mild" COVID cases and you end up dying of something embarrassing like gallstones.

But that changes as soon as you're identified as a close contact - then there are loads of things you can't do.

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#2873355 23-Feb-2022 16:27

heard from some students in Dunedin you're a close contact only if you spent more than an hour with a covid positive person

so they are all around everywhere ... recall we have a medical school in the hospital ... yay

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#2873359 23-Feb-2022 16:32

Batman:

heard from some students in Dunedin you're a close contact only if you spent more than an hour with a covid positive person

so they are all around everywhere ... recall we have a medical school in the hospital ... yay

I think that's correct as long as the Covid positive person is wearing a mask.

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#2873362 23-Feb-2022 16:36

Here is the message from our primary school, and heard similar from other parents in other primary schools:

The changes to how close contacts are being identified are particularly important in Years 4-6. If there is a case in these areas of our school, only those who are not wearing masks will be identified as close contacts

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#2873364 23-Feb-2022 16:38

CokemonZ:

Here is the message from our primary school, and heard similar from other parents in other primary schools:

The changes to how close contacts are being identified are particularly important in Years 4-6. If there is a case in these areas of our school, only those who are not wearing masks will be identified as close contacts

/facepalm/

Really not thought about this have they. It should be 'anyone interacting with the person if the positive case was NOT wearing one, or...'

/edit friends in Brisbane have now had 35 alerts for new cases at their school. And that was mon-tues. I'm really not surprised given the outside Maccas and in malls attitudes. Seem to put them on if the school rules say so in class. Then it's free for all hugs outside it still.

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#2873366 23-Feb-2022 16:40

CokemonZ:

Here is the message from our primary school, and heard similar from other parents in other primary schools:

The changes to how close contacts are being identified are particularly important in Years 4-6. If there is a case in these areas of our school, only those who are not wearing masks will be identified as close contacts

That's contrary to the definition on the official site, which says it's the Covid positive person who must be wearing a mask (plus a bunch of other criteria).

https://covid19.govt.nz/testing-and-tracing/contact-tracing/close-contacts/#who-is-a-close-contact

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#2873367 23-Feb-2022 16:41

Oblivian:

/facepalm/

Really not thought about this have they. It should be 'anyone interacting with the person if the positive case was NOT wearing one, or...'

Certainly feels a little weird as two days ago the whole class would have been shut down for a week.

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#2873370 23-Feb-2022 16:43

FFS.... family member tested positive via RATS during a hospital visit. Got told by hospital to isolate for 5-7 days.

Yet website states 10 days.

So which is it ???

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#2873371 23-Feb-2022 16:44

CokemonZ:

Certainly feels a little weird as two days ago the whole class would have been shut down for a week.

It's likely the whole logic out the window cause the internet told me so getting the reasoning backwards it seems.

The original message has been forgotten - Measures to protect others. Not yourself.

But if enough do, then we're all good.

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#2873374 23-Feb-2022 16:49

So you've got people unable to work because they're following the rules, but schools making up their own definitions of close contacts so the students don't need to isolate?

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#2873375 23-Feb-2022 16:49

CokemonZ:

Oblivian:

/facepalm/

Really not thought about this have they. It should be 'anyone interacting with the person if the positive case was NOT wearing one, or...'

Certainly feels a little weird as two days ago the whole class would have been shut down for a week.

Has it even been scientifically tested that people won't catch it they are wearing a mask? .Especially considering Omicron is still so new and is far more contagious. There as masks and there are masks. A cloth mask doesn't provide much protection anyway. IMO it is all becoming stupid. IMO a lot of these people even with masks are still going to be infected due to them not being N95, and because it is alot to do with the actual indoor environment they are in. Especially as many classrooms probably aren't using special air filtration etc. They may have all the windows open, but they won't be able to do this when it gets colder.

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#2873376 23-Feb-2022 16:49

xpd:

FFS.... family member tested positive via RATS during a hospital visit. Got told by hospital to isolate for 5-7 days.

Yet website states 10 days.

So which is it ???

Pretty sure MoH overrules DHB. As we found with the initial vaccine rollout debacles.

Which is 10. 7 is if you are a CONTACT of one, not the target.

But I would be getting a PCR to rule out RAT anomoly

https://covid19.govt.nz/isolation-and-care/how-to-self-isolate/#:~:text=You%20need%20to%20self%2Disolate%20from%20others%20for%207%20days,or%20if%20you%20develop%20symptoms.

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