2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2873583 24-Feb-2022 06:47

CokemonZ:

It has to be about keeping the schools open as long as possible.

If the teachers have to isolate with every positive, well may as well shut them all down now.

This way they can keep people out working for as long as possible.

Whether thats a good idea or not is yet to be seen.

definitions change with the wind.

once upon a time people said kids can't get covid, kids can't pass covid.

i say we should go back to that. keep the schools open. teachers are vaccinated and should be treated like critical workers - i think critical workers cannot be close contact - if you are RAT negative you can be at work.

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#2873584 24-Feb-2022 06:52

As an Aucklander, I can empathise with those who are annoyed there's no LOI in their area. Between this and the lack of testing in the 09 area over the last few days, with some community stations closing and others operating in limited hours, there is a real 'we're on our own here' vibe, which is a bit of a slap in the face considering the lockdowns we endured for everyone else's sake last year.

Fortunately I control our WFH schedule so I'm just making sure there as as few people in the office as possible on the days I need to be there, which is most of them.

I'm concerned about the switch to changing how close contacts are notified, given that I have a baby at home and it sounds like there will be fewer ways of knowing if a member of the public has entered a local business while infectious. I get that us all catching it is somewhat inevitable, but me getting it after having three jabs is a vastly different proposal to me getting it and then infecting our baby, who has no immunity to much of anything at all.

Finally, there is simply no availability for click and collect or online delivery in our area from Countdown. That was inevitable, and I have ways of getting around it, but I can't do much if the stock fails to show up on the shelves because of supply chain issues. So we'll see what happens there.

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#2873591 24-Feb-2022 07:28

mattwnz:

Yes, I think many people expected that once 90% of the eligible population was vaccinated, that a lot of the restrictions would end and people wouldn't need to isolate if they have been vaccinated. It would be treated more like a cold. I think people are now discovering that what we now have in many ways is worse than level 3 lockdowns. Many businesses are really struggling. Know of several businesses that maybe closing down. But what the UK is doing, where they are essentially going to be treating it like a cold, is maybe where we are heading when the infection rates drop significantly. But the messaging has been poor, and they seem to be making it up as they go along.

Making what up? Its been very clear forever that we are eliminating, then suppressing while we grow vaccinations, and the phases, that are there to suppress what we can to manage hospital bed usage, and that we are told by experts, Govt, MoH that there will be many cases, and that we will move to personal management of safety measures and isolation. Ive long given up watching the standups, I dont even know if they happen anymore, and I dont read every word on Covid in the media, but I know all this.

But the messaging has been there, and some of the public seem to be changing how they comply, as they go along.

Many people may be hunkering down, or just living life pretty normally, or they find a midpoint to live the life with some cautionary measures. We need to take some ownership now. Or we can blame someone I guess. There will be too many cases to test, too may LOI's for them to be meaningful. Hospital beds IIRC was about 50 odd when this spike hit, it grew by a single digit each day, now its about 170 with 20,000 active cases out there. Its going as well as can be expected iMHO

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#2873600 24-Feb-2022 08:09

@tdgeek:

Many people may be hunkering down, or just living life pretty normally, or they find a midpoint to live the life with some cautionary measures. We need to take some ownership now. Or we can blame someone I guess. There will be too many cases to test, too may LOI's for them to be meaningful. Hospital beds IIRC was about 50 odd when this spike hit, it grew by a single digit each day, now its about 170 with 20,000 active cases out there. Its going as well as can be expected iMHO

Exactly. I am WFH all the time now, but will go to the mall for something or another. Or to the theatre to see our daughter's performance. But we wear masks and make sure to scan and know where we've been.

I think everyone needs to stop and reconsider their options. If you can minimise exposure and control your environment do it. If you can't, hope others are doing it in enough numbers.

But then you have the protesters and the students in the South Island and despair takes over. Humankind is full of dumb.

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#2873626 24-Feb-2022 09:04

mattwnz: then I would have though LOI in these areas was required. Hospitals in much of the country aren't as good as the main centres. Otherwise I do wonder what teh point of scanning in is if they aren't reporting the LOIs. Or maybe the entire contact tracing and scanning system is already overwhelmed because Aucklands cases are so

Pointed this out previously. Phase 2. Digital notifications

The onnus is on every individual, To tell people who YOU likely infected. By means of app diary upload and alert. Or using the moh service to send notification from entering them ones self. Or not going some places without a negative result. As many businesses are implementing regular testing

There is no more 3rd tier criteria. You are either negative, infected. Or been with someone who is positive.

It's not the mohs job to tell us loi anymore. They just assist those who have been slack or cant. Which as you see by compliance will effect us all again.

Have a read of the contract tracing section of the official page if you don't believe it
https://covid19.govt.nz/prepare-and-stay-safe/about-covid-19/our-response-to-omicron/#phase-2-%E2%80%94-we-are-in-this-phase

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#2873632 24-Feb-2022 09:17

apparently Dunedin positivity rate 21.6%

hard to understand. we have what 100 cases a day, you mean we only do 500 tests? something doesn't add up

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/‘very-high’-dunedin-rate-shocks

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#2873635 24-Feb-2022 09:24

Batman:

apparently Dunedin positivity rate 21.6%

hard to understand. we have what 100 cases a day, you mean we only do 500 tests? something doesn't add up

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/‘very-high’-dunedin-rate-shocks

Of the 455 cases announced yesterday, 136 were in locations yet to be confirmed, but 233 were in Dunedin, which had a total of 584 active cases.

If test results are taking a few days that may also explain why? Are RAT positives counted as a case for these stats?

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#2873638 24-Feb-2022 09:26

Batman:

apparently Dunedin positivity rate 21.6%

hard to understand. we have what 100 cases a day, you mean we only do 500 tests? something doesn't add up

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/‘very-high’-dunedin-rate-shocks

I understood the positivity rate to effectively mean, in this case, that 1:5 people being tested are positive and that the actual rate of covid spread in the community is therefore much higher that the testing results present, not that there are only 500 tests taken... also I though that the SDHB had to reallocate a ton of test results to dunedin as the NHI numbers located the 'owners' to other parts of the country, likely students hence the 500 odd yesterday recorded.

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#2873639 24-Feb-2022 09:28

Batman:

apparently Dunedin positivity rate 21.6%

hard to understand. we have what 100 cases a day, you mean we only do 500 tests? something doesn't add up

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/‘very-high’-dunedin-rate-shocks

As mentioned before it is to do with the fact a lot of them have been put into the DHB for the region they came from. So a high portion of them were classified as an Auckland DHB case.

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#2873644 24-Feb-2022 09:36

freitasm:

Exactly. I am WFH all the time now, but will go to the mall for something or another. Or to the theatre to see our daughter's performance. But we wear masks and make sure to scan and know where we've been.

I think everyone needs to stop and reconsider their options. If you can minimise exposure and control your environment do it. If you can't, hope others are doing it in enough numbers.

But then you have the protesters and the students in the South Island and despair takes over. Humankind is full of dumb.

I don't think you can blame just Students. A lot of younger people are acting like normal and they are flatting or live apartment blocks etc so it is going to spread.

This is going to spread way more from normal social interaction than people think. Varying degrees of hunkering down has the potential for multiple waves with each one getting smaller as time goes on

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#2873649 24-Feb-2022 09:42

Yep. Hunkering down, depending how some people hunker, may help promote gradual spread, and this then turns up as feeling sick so got a test. Hunkering down to me means its ok to go out if you have to, but stay safe and keep away from other best you can. Others might see it as limiting the groups you associate with, as in bubbles, but inevitably the bubbles will overlap as its not an official rule

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#2873691 24-Feb-2022 10:48

I think the message has been mixed, and now is pretty much non-existent. Maybe the campground out the front of their house is distracting them? Maybe internally they are no longer drinking the same Kool-Aid?

I get more information from this thread now, than I do from any 'official' source.

It seems to me that the government has taken it's hands off the wheel, and are happy to let the bus go where it wants.

All I want from them is the next steps - I couldn't care less about the 'phases' we are in at the moment (is that what they're called? There have been so many phases/steps/levels I have now got confused). I want to know what the plan is for reopening the borders, and doing away with restrictions/mandates/rules. How far beihnd Australia/the UK/Europe/USA are we?

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#2873763 24-Feb-2022 11:14

trig42:

I think the message has been mixed, and now is pretty much non-existent. Maybe the campground out the front of their house is distracting them? Maybe internally they are no longer drinking the same Kool-Aid?

I get more information from this thread now, than I do from any 'official' source.

It seems to me that the government has taken it's hands off the wheel, and are happy to let the bus go where it wants.

All I want from them is the next steps - I couldn't care less about the 'phases' we are in at the moment (is that what they're called? There have been so many phases/steps/levels I have now got confused). I want to know what the plan is for reopening the borders, and doing away with restrictions/mandates/rules. How far behind Australia/the UK/Europe/USA are we?

I disagree, the plan is fairly clearly been announced. Features on the main news media on the of announcement and on the government covid web page after that. (https://covid19.govt.nz/)

In fact your questions about phases and the border reopening plan can be found linked at the top of the government covid-19 info page - one click away.
Plus constant facebook ads in my feed.

Not sure what else you want them to do to info you.

As for the Mandates and rule reductions they can't answer you question as they haven't decided on that - it's a see how looks in a month or two. We they know what the state of the country is at the End of March, they can make plans.
They have indicated they will be eased this year though.

Saying all this, yes the Government could have done better. They are not perfect.

I think the main problem many people have is that this Covid emergency has been going on for 2 years and people are now sick of the restrictions and changes in their lives.
You have to remember the influenza epidemic of 1918 lasted 2 years with other waves of decreasing seriousness last for up to 10 years.
This was never going to be a quick thing.

As the so-called Chinese curse goes - May you live in interesting times.

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#2873785 24-Feb-2022 11:24

Do you think scanning etc has run it course now? given contact tracing is next to non existent (self logging) and LOI's are woefully out of date?

With the amount of cases and the share number of LOI's, and definition of a close contact, which has changed, is there really any benefit to it? the bar for a close contact is pretty high now.

Thoughts?

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#2873786 24-Feb-2022 11:24

we are in the guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2022/feb/22/two-years-have-passed-since-the-covid-pandemic-began-but-new-zealand-icus-still-arent-ready

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