also possibly rip to the poster

johno1234:

 

Yeah, they have really low immunity from being perpetually locked down, alongside very low vaccination rates with a less effective vaccine, and in the cities they have large numbers of people living close together using public transport and it is winter. Worst possible scenario.

 

Oh, and an aging population too.

 

 

 

Yep

We saw it here, locked down for ages, then flu is a real issue as low or no immunity.

The plan was get vaccinated as we cannot lock down forever, so now we have growing cases, and unless we lockdown for 6 months and lock the border, you cannot evade it. So you get as protected as you and so when you do get it, its ok. Best you can do. 

Aging population in China is no issue except that they are not well vaccinated, which is bizarre given the hard line they took.

'Disclosure" My wife is Chinese and her and many are dumbfounded. Case in point, how can a dictatorship cave in? Nationwide protests. Now, the excessive lockdowns and the less than stellar vaccinations will bite. For the rest of us, more Covid related supply issues. 

Batman:

 

they could just use Western medicine you know

 

They do.

The top people got Pfizer, the rest got Sinovac. Not saying that Sinovac is poor, but you have to ask

Leo Tolstoy. Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.

What I don't understand is why millions of dollars of vaccine in NZ is being left to expire? Rather than make more people eligable for a third booster. Very few people are actually eligible now, and those that are, many have chosen not to get it. It seems crazy and a waste. Obviously it doesn't appear to be as effective as the new bivalent boosters , but NZ is behind other countries with these, and many people seem to be getting it when they go to oz.. 

johno1234:

 

Yeah, they have really low immunity from being perpetually locked down, alongside very low vaccination rates with a less effective vaccine, and in the cities they have large numbers of people living close together using public transport and it is winter. Worst possible scenario.

 

Oh, and an aging population too.

 

This is one of the problems with high density living which NZ is also moving to. 

mattwnz:

 

What I don't understand is why millions of dollars of vaccine in NZ is being left to expire? Rather than make more people eligable for a third booster. Very few people are actually eligible now, and those that are, many have chosen not to get it. It seems crazy and a waste. Obviously it doesn't appear to be as effective as the new bivalent boosters , but NZ is behind other countries with these, and many people seem to be getting it when they go to oz.. 

 

Probably its a case that you have been supported but the masses dont want support, they want freedom, and as as we are well vaccinated the only option is to move on. We the individuals need to take some control.

China Restrictions vs No restrictions, somewhere in the middle

Friend of ours took the 12 year old son to Fiji for 3 days, they both came back with it. Gave it to the ex husband, that's how it is now.

mattwnz:

 

johno1234:

 

Yeah, they have really low immunity from being perpetually locked down, alongside very low vaccination rates with a less effective vaccine, and in the cities they have large numbers of people living close together using public transport and it is winter. Worst possible scenario.

 

Oh, and an aging population too.

 

 

 

 

This is one of the problems with high density living which NZ is also moving to. 

 

Agree, but that's a slow moving train. Worthy of consideration for the next pandemic, which will happen, sooner than later

mattwnz:

What I don't understand is why millions of dollars of vaccine in NZ is being left to expire? Rather than make more people eligable for a third booster. Very few people are actually eligible now, and those that are, many have chosen not to get it. It seems crazy and a waste. Obviously it doesn't appear to be as effective as the new bivalent boosters , but NZ is behind other countries with these, and many people seem to be getting it when they go to oz.. 

freitasm:

The second booster is now available to people over 50. Were you aware of that?

The median age in NZ was 37.9 in 2021. So most people are not eligible.

freitasm:
The second booster is now available to people over 50. Were you aware of that?

The criteria are wider than that:

a second booster is available for:

 

• Māori and Pacific peoples aged 40 years and over
• all people aged 50 years and over
• health, aged care and disability workers aged 30 years and over.

In addition there is availability for

 

• residents of aged care and disability care facilities
• severely immunocompromised people who received a three-dose primary course and a fourth dose as a first booster (noting this would be a fifth dose for these people)
• people aged 16 years and over who have a medical condition that increases the risk of severe breakthrough COVID-19 illness and
• people aged 16 years and over who live with disability with significant or complex health needs or multiple comorbidities.

https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-vaccine-boosters#additional

cddt:

freitasm:

The second booster is now available to people over 50. Were you aware of that?

 

The median age in NZ was 37.9 in 2021. So most people are not eligible.

freitasm:

mattwnz:

 

What I don't understand is why millions of dollars of vaccine in NZ is being left to expire? Rather than make more people eligable for a third booster. Very few people are actually eligible now, and those that are, many have chosen not to get it. It seems crazy and a waste. Obviously it doesn't appear to be as effective as the new bivalent boosters , but NZ is behind other countries with these, and many people seem to be getting it when they go to oz.. 

 

The second booster is now available to people over 50. Were you aware of that?

Yes, I was rung by whom ever (Ministry of health/PHO/ ???) and was informed that I could get my 2nd booster, was I interested.

freitasm:

mattwnz:

What I don't understand is why millions of dollars of vaccine in NZ is being left to expire? Rather than make more people eligable for a third booster. Very few people are actually eligible now, and those that are, many have chosen not to get it. It seems crazy and a waste. Obviously it doesn't appear to be as effective as the new bivalent boosters , but NZ is behind other countries with these, and many people seem to be getting it when they go to oz.. 

The second booster is now available to people over 50. Were you aware of that?