2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2443315 21-Mar-2020 19:02

Batman:
dumb question with the kiwisaver business - if you keep the funds as they are, they will be reinvested into the black hole sharemarket correct? so move all existing and future funds?

If you want to make long-term gains now is a brilliant time to invest in the share market. If you want to lock in temporary losses put your money into cash.

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#2443317 21-Mar-2020 19:05

tdgeek:

The PM has advised that all people over 70 should 'stay at home'. Is that therefore the same as 'self isolating', in the same way that someone traveled from overseas should go into self isolation. eg They therefore must not go to the supermarket etc? IMO if so, this is huge move, and makes having a dedicated hour for older people to shop a moot point. Who is going to be doing their shopping for them, as many may not use computers for online ordering ?

I appreciate all your posts. All of them.

But I think you are over thinking this. If you act in a caring and reasonable way, you will be fine.

There was confusion earlier on with this, because Stuff incorrectly posted on their website in their red alert box, that all people aged 70 and over to be 'self isolated'.
I did take a screenshot to be sure that is what they had said. But they later removed it. When infact people age 70+ have just been told they should stay at home.

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#2443318 21-Mar-2020 19:06

Simon Moutter posted on twitter yesterday that a business he works with applied to get the emergency wage support grant on Tuesday and had the money by Friday. It would appear that the system is working as it was hoped.

https://twitter.com/simonmoutter/status/1240856466367504384?s=19

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#2443326 21-Mar-2020 19:17

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As always TDGEEK I admire your optimism. My understanding is these two individuals have no relationship to any confirmed overseas import cases. So they got it from an unknown community source.
I believe the horse has bolted with containment. We should accept unknown CT moving forward

You are a numbers guy correct? What matters now is the number of kiwis are going to lose their lives. Will it be 20000 or 100,000. With a healthcare system not a capacity the death rate is about 1%.NZ has about 60 spare ICU/HDU beds. About 5%of Coronavirus cases require these beds. This means after 1200 cases their aren't ICU beds available. If the bed isn't available the patient dies. This effectively means our death rate is 5% after 1200 cases. Or mathematically if x is the number of cases. Prior to 1200 our death rate = 1200 *.01, or 12. After 1200 cases it is (1200*.01) +((x-1200).05). at 1200 cases the death rate is 12. at 2000 cases it is 52. So a 66% increase in cases causes a 433% increase in deaths in this scenario.

I'm not being the bad guy here, just being realistic. we need be aggressive & shut social venues down asap( cafes, bars, restaurants, churches). Slow down the spread so that our healthcare systems capacity isn't exceeded. if we wait it will be to late

I appreciate the post and the math. Yes, I am a numbers guy, I posted that some time back, you have a good memory.

I feel I am realistic not optimistic. There will be CT here, there will be deaths here.

Numbers, that I have comfort with. Our cases per capita is circa 1.7. Thats good. Deaths per capita is zero. Until today, cases were ALL recent travel imports. Its possible that the 2 potential CT today are travel related.

Unlike South Korea and Singapore who are current gold standards, I doubt they are heavily importing cases as we are right now. Our higher daily cases are broadly aligned with travel since last weekends travel block. Many here have said that we have finally closed the borders. They are not closed. So we will continue to get travel related cases, all good. We are getting NZ nationals back. Ideally, when the NZ nationals slow right down, our tests (which are per capita close to SK) they can be focused on CT, not planes.

Of note is a few days ago a question was asked, how many are in hospital? Zero. I think a day or two back it was 4. National DHB's are WELL below the curve. Flatten the curve. Where hospital cases are less or in our case, much less than capability. Thats on track

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#2443329 21-Mar-2020 19:18

Guy at work a couple of days ago said he went to pick up his kid at a daycare center in Pakuranga.

While there he saw a staff member having an argument with an asian couple wanting to enroll there kid.

He heard the staff member say that they have only been in NZ for 2 days and are now trying to enroll there kid.

Staff member only got rid of them when they threatened to phone the police on them for not self isolating for 2 weeks.

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#2443331 21-Mar-2020 19:20

- Analysis of Hamburg data shows that lock down take it's first effect. Infection rate (not the infections itself) slows down for the moment gaining even more time.

😎 "Parents of a young guy who announced to go to a corona-party accepted his wish but told him, that he'll find his tent in front of the house to stay there when coming back for the next couple of weeks. He stayed at home."

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#2443332 21-Mar-2020 19:20

How Hospitals Could Decide Who Gets a Ventilator During the Coronavirus Pandemic

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VICE News spoke with Dr. Tia Powell, a physician and bioethicist who helped write the guidelines.

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#2443334 21-Mar-2020 19:23

GeekGuy:

Guy at work a couple of days ago said he went to pick up his kid at a daycare center in Pakuranga.

While there he saw a staff member having an argument with an asian couple wanting to enroll there kid.

He heard the staff member say that they have only been in NZ for 2 days and are now trying to enroll there kid.

Staff member only got rid of them when they threatened to phone the police on them for not self isolating for 2 weeks.

no point, will be shut soon lol.

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#2443336 21-Mar-2020 19:27

Rikkitic:

kingdragonfly: The Coronavirus Explained & What You Should Do

Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell

Very good. Also rather terrifying.

Terrifying is good. It might help the idiots take notice of the risk to themselves and others (which is the key risk.)

Nanogirls comment today still riles me

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#2443342 21-Mar-2020 19:33

Sideface:

The New York Times - New York Joins California as Millions More Americans Are Ordered to Stay Home

March 20, 2020

CHICAGO - America plunged into a deeper state of disruption and paralysis on Friday as New York and Illinois announced a broad series of measures aimed at keeping tens of millions of residents cloistered in their homes, following similar actions by California and a patchwork of restrictions from coast to coast.

The new, more stringent directives, in some of the country’s most populous states, were intended to slow the spread of the coronavirus that has swept across the country, sickening more than 17,000 people and claiming at least 214 lives.

By the end of the weekend, at least 1 in 5 Americans will be under orders to stay home, and more states were expected to follow suit. ...

EDIT The Washington Post - Coronavirus - Illinois, California, Florida and New York increase restrictions

The American Dream! Ive been there a lot, love the place, but my goodness.

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#2443343 21-Mar-2020 19:38

kingdragonfly: How Hospitals Could Decide Who Gets a Ventilator During the Coronavirus Pandemic

VICE News

VICE News spoke with Dr. Tia Powell, a physician and bioethicist who helped write the guidelines.

or hook up one ventilator to multiple patients...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uClq978oohY

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#2443349 21-Mar-2020 19:40

Scott3:

Family member works in primary care.

There is quite a lot of concern regarding flu vaccines. Currently these are available to higher risk groups.

Objectively bringing large numbers of high risk people into the medical center to wait in the waiting room with sick people, then get a flu vaccine, then have them wait 20mins more (in case of reaction) seems objectively crazy.

They are in the process of working out what they can do to minimize the risk (i.e. vaccine clinics outside of normal operating hours.)

There are heaps of people that want flu vaccines, but supply of vaccines is a little unpredictable, so they can't plan too far ahead.

al is available, fuel car, clean hands or discard glove's & leave)

I had a CABG (bypass) in 2014. never bothered with flu jabs apart from free ones at work as I was there. I got one at my docs the others day, they had a jab day. Not busy, we sat not close to each other afterwards. After the jab sent to wait a couple of minutes then I left. The nurse mentioned that volume will be ok. April 16 is open day

While I rarely get sick (as compared to sick and tired :-) ) I felt that if I got the virus, Id rather not risk battling a cold or the flu as well.

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#2443352 21-Mar-2020 19:42

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Stu:

We've been receiving groceries from Countdown via delivery for many years. We've just received a delivery and many items were omitted due to lack of stock. We used to order roughly fortnightly. This order should have been enough for ~10-14 days. There wasn't even enough supplied for a week. Not even a week's worth of dog food (they supplied one roll)! We're not trying to stock up, just order the usual. Countdown say they've limited orders to a value of $800, but ours was just over $200 and they couldn't supply it. I've just put through an order of some items they didn't supply in this order (just some of them, most couldn't be ordered), and a couple of other basics. The earliest open delivery time slot was for Friday night! Looks like a trip to town early one morning to a New World.

They are also limiting cat food sachets to 2 per customer... I have 2 cats so basically I can buy just 1 day's worth

Had to order 2 dozen from an online pet store.

There is a joke there, but I'll leave it to another to get banned.... :-)

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#2443353 21-Mar-2020 19:43

FineWine:

Partner and I had our annual Flu Vac on Thursday. Stung a bit than usual this year - mmmm ???

Me too. I told the nurse I was a bit miffed that I didnt get a stamp on my hand for not crying!

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#2443355 21-Mar-2020 19:50

dogstar001:

exactly & they will be shut to weeks from now when it's 2 weeks to late.

I agree, but for possible different reasons. If the public played ball, gatherings like that would be ok. But the odd bad apple is as we have seen the frequent bad apple. On that, yes we do need to shut that down.

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