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#2849379 12-Jan-2022 16:21

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It simply defies belief there is no 2FA still

Not really. There's little of any interest to attackers there, and adding 2FA on top of everything else would lock out about 95% of the population, if not more.

Heck, MyVaccinePass is already excluding a good chunk of the population even without 2FA.

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#2849381 12-Jan-2022 16:24

neb:
networkn:

It simply defies belief there is no 2FA still

Not really. There's little of any interest to attackers there, and adding 2FA on top of everything else would lock out about 95% of the population, if not more. Heck, MyVaccinePass is already excluding a good chunk of the population even without 2FA.

Waikato DHB would strongly disagree.

It could be optional for those of us who would want it.

I disagree it would lock out 95% as well, since pretty much everyone is forced to do online banking and all banking systems now to my knowledge in NZ have MFA enabled by default in one guise or another.

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#2849528 12-Jan-2022 20:47

networkn: It simply defies belief there is no 2FA still

As networkn says, it could be optional for those that want it if the powers that be don't want to enforce it. Leaked password & credit card numbers I can change, leaked bio data not.

neb: ... top of everything else would lock out about 95% of the population, ...

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#2849542 12-Jan-2022 21:36

networkn:
Waikato DHB would strongly disagree.

Waikato DHB could have used al the 2FA in the world and it wouldn't have made any difference.

For Covid-related stuff, 2FA is going to keep a lot of people out (I've lost count of how many people I've had to sort out MyCovidPass for, and that's without 2FA), while not actually defending against anything the attackers are doing, they'll get in by compromising a VB6 app on an machine running Windows XP that hasn't had updates in ten years and own the entire network, not go for one single user's account. 2FA here is a classic case of defending where the attacker isn't.

Having said that, if people really want to faff around with 2FA on their account because it makes them feel better, they're certainly welcome to it as opt-in.

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#2849593 12-Jan-2022 23:36

networkn:

Rikkitic:

Manage My Health has never worked right since it started. I wouldn't be too quick to blame your GP.

It simply defies belief there is no 2FA still

Coming in late to this conversation and knowing you personally, it defies belief that anyone who works in technology that has ever delivered something to the great unwashed would think that 2FA would be a good idea to force onto the entire population. The barriers for entry were as low as possible for a reason as MoH wanted *everyone* to get vaccinated so the entry to Book My Vaccine is so incredibly low and My Covid Record has RealMe including Verified Identity which does enforce 2FA and DIA needed to have issued you a passport or you fronted to a postshop so the evidence of identity is incredibly high or MoH and a few NZ forms of ID for the lower barrier for entry. It's using MS B2C so if they get pwned then there is bigger problems that folks being able to get your covid record.

Humans are fundamentally stupid. The fact NZ is at 95% vaccinated is proof that NZ is a fairly homogenous society with shared beliefs, but it still doesn't change the fact the system had to be built for the lower common denominator... and that is pretty low.

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#2849621 13-Jan-2022 01:40

Just found out about a neat fix for the problem of ear-removing face masks, Google "mask extender", these are various designs of straps that convert an ear-pulling face mask into a neck-strap face mask, very useful for situations where you have to wear an officially-issued mask but want to save your ears. Available from various places locally as well as the usual selection of overseas crapvendors.

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#2849622 13-Jan-2022 02:23

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I know many unrelated people overseas that have been getting covid-19. Prior to omicron it was only a few. Many of the fully vaccinated. Some of them with boosters.

I know a ton of people who have covid at the moment or have had it recently. I don't know anyone who has been vaccinated/had boosters who are badly sick. Most people are recovering in around 5 days.

This time last year it was quite different, I knew or was aware of lots of people getting badly sick.

Obviously this is anecdotal but the statistics seem to back this up.

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#2849623 13-Jan-2022 02:28

neb:
networkn:

Waikato DHB would strongly disagree.

Waikato DHB could have used al the 2FA in the world and it wouldn't have made any difference.

Having worked in hospitals a lot this was always going to happen. I know a number of hospitals that were still running infrastructure systems on Server 2003 machines and Windows XP desktop class machines when I left NZ in 2018.

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#2849631 13-Jan-2022 07:34

Handle9:

Scott3:

I know many unrelated people overseas that have been getting covid-19. Prior to omicron it was only a few. Many of the fully vaccinated. Some of them with boosters.

I know a ton of people who have covid at the moment or have had it recently. I don't know anyone who has been vaccinated/had boosters who are badly sick. Most people are recovering in around 5 days.

This time last year it was quite different, I knew or was aware of lots of people getting badly sick.

Obviously this is anecdotal but the statistics seem to back this up.

Similar situation for me too, far more of my overseas friends are reporting getting it now than last year via stalkbook. All my pro-plaguer "friends" have defriended me last year so don't know what is going on with them. But the ones who are getting it now are going "worst flu of my life, just imagine if I didn't have the jab"

The thing I really don't get right now is how much of a cesspool Linkedin as turned into. People who I have known professionally feel extremely comfortable posting the most insane stuff on there. Thankfully I very infrequently go on there but in recent times it has been a great opportunity to remove professional contacts I have worked with and previously respected.

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#2849632 13-Jan-2022 07:36

LinkedIn is a cesspool of anti-vaxxers now. So much stupidity happening there.

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#2849633 13-Jan-2022 07:39

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The thing I really don't get right now is how much of a cesspool Linkedin as turned into. People who I have known professionally feel extremely comfortable posting the most insane stuff on there. Thankfully I very infrequently go on there but in recent times it has been a great opportunity to remove professional contacts I have worked with and previously respected.

LinkedIn has always been garbage, the 'let's get this bread' culture just unified everyone behind something else enough to make you think people on there were either less insane or not as stupid as we might like to think. If anything, be mad about how successful of the anti-vaxxer idiots have managed to be, despite being dumber than a sack of hammers.

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#2849667 13-Jan-2022 09:34

neb: Just found out about a neat fix for the problem of ear-removing face masks, Google "mask extender", these are various designs of straps that convert an ear-pulling face mask into a neck-strap face mask, very useful for situations where you have to wear an officially-issued mask but want to save your ears. Available from various places locally as well as the usual selection of overseas crapvendors.

This may solve my ears/glasses/hearing aid tangle that I seem to get into about every second mask removal 😀

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#2850334 14-Jan-2022 01:25

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Handle9:

I know a ton of people who have covid at the moment or have had it recently. I don't know anyone who has been vaccinated/had boosters who are badly sick. Most people are recovering in around 5 days.

This time last year it was quite different, I knew or was aware of lots of people getting badly sick.

Obviously this is anecdotal but the statistics seem to back this up.

Similar situation for me too, far more of my overseas friends are reporting getting it now than last year via stalkbook. All my pro-plaguer "friends" have defriended me last year so don't know what is going on with them. But the ones who are getting it now are going "worst flu of my life, just imagine if I didn't have the jab"

The thing I really don't get right now is how much of a cesspool Linkedin as turned into. People who I have known professionally feel extremely comfortable posting the most insane stuff on there. Thankfully I very infrequently go on there but in recent times it has been a great opportunity to remove professional contacts I have worked with and previously respected.

Way OT now but I’ve avoided Facebook and LinkedIn for some time. They both used to be valuable to me but both are far too extreme for me to spend time on anymore. It wasn’t healthy for me at all to be on Facebook, my state of mind was much improved by removing myself.

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#2850335 14-Jan-2022 01:26

Sigh. School has been shutdown for a long weekend. A few too many cases so the family will all be home tomorrow.

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#2852467 17-Jan-2022 20:26

This could also go into the "things that make you angry" thread: The neighbours went to take their grandson to get his shot this morning with his mum, and were met by a crowd of anti-vaxxers shouting and screaming at them, scaring the little kids. Among other things they were trying to tell them that "thousands of children have died from the vaccine you're about to receive", and later when an ambulance drove by (it was going to the gym at the nearby community centre where there'd been an accident) they told people that a girl had just died from the vaccine. She was still quite upset about they trauma they inflicted hours later.

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