2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2444800 23-Mar-2020 18:54

Dingbatt:

Handle9: I just talked to my tenant. The company he works for is only able to pay him the government support benefit.

We will be supporting them with significantly reduced rent. If you have tenants and are in a position to help please talk to them about their situation.

That’s an awesome thing to do. Hopefully other landlords in a position to do the same, will.

Yes it is an awesome thing to do. The problem for some landlords is that the rent was possibly covering the mortgage, and they may have been relying on future capital gains. So if they are not getting the income to cover it, then they could be out of pocket each week, and not sure if insurance would cover this? I am not a landlord myself, but my parents ave been in the past and it can be hard. All affected landlords should talk to their banks IMO if they might struggle to service the mortgage, if a tenant can't pay enough.

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#2444801 23-Mar-2020 18:56

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I've just been past our local Resene shop and it's absolutely heaving. I didn't think of redecorating during the lockdown but maybe some people decided they can't handle four weeks of that colour any more.

Madness. How do you socially isolate while in shop heaving with customers?

Its a breed issue, too much human dna

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#2444803 23-Mar-2020 18:59

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In other news, bottle stores are busy.

Confession time. Before I picked up our daughter at 3pm I went to the bottle store 😊

That is terrible. I won't confirm nor deny my exploits this afternoon......

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#2444805 23-Mar-2020 19:02

I've ordered two cases of wine last week and got them before the weekend.

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#2444806 23-Mar-2020 19:02

mattwnz:

With local stores closing, I wonder if it will lead to a significant amount of offshore online purchases, while people are in isolation. Postal / courier services could be very busy.

Id say so, but The Warehouse, Briscoes (you need to be lucky to grab the annual sale) Farmers etc, I get emails all day long for these and others. id be supporting Kiwi online sales.

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#2444807 23-Mar-2020 19:05

tdgeek:

mattwnz:

With local stores closing, I wonder if it will lead to a significant amount of offshore online purchases, while people are in isolation. Postal / courier services could be very busy.

Id say so, but The Warehouse, Briscoes (you need to be lucky to grab the annual sale) Farmers etc, I get emails all day long for these and others. id be supporting Kiwi online sales.

Not sure how many of those would be considered 'essential service' companies? Maybe the warehouse food isles?

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#2444813 23-Mar-2020 19:10

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mattwnz:

We will also potentially have people not getting out to meet people to form relationships, depending on how long this lasts. I mean how busy are these apps like tinder and bumble etc going to be.

People get horny they will find a way lol, will just be more talking over phone/facetime before you trust someone to meet them at someones home.

Is that an essential service? If you can manage the 2 metre distance a +1 is deserved.

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#2444815 23-Mar-2020 19:13

freitasm:

Another member suggested creating a Q&A sub-forum or topic that would be open to people to ASK questions and only those with a "DR" or "Nurse" would be allowed to post replies to these questions.

The main problem is diverting these with "DR" and "Nurse" from their main focus in this time of need.

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Not a good idea. As others have said there are far better avenues and facilities for this.

I for one as a RETIRED Paediatric Nurse health professional (18 mths retired) only give "IMHO" from a professional history point of knowledge.

Though basic medicine does not change; pharmaceuticals, pathology and procedural knowledge does and very quickly. Medical language has to be unambiguous and that is why some times we use big funny looking and sounding words which are and would be meaningless to the majority of forum members. It would not allay understanding or fears but just increase worry and misunderstanding.

Lets keep that kind of advice to the 'click bait' press.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2444816 23-Mar-2020 19:15

freitasm:

I've ordered two cases of wine last week and got them before the weekend.

Yeah, I’ve been building my wine and beer reserves over the past few weeks, and made the most of the 20% off 6 bottles of wine at Countdown in the weekend.

I saw in the article linked to many pages back re the lockdown of Vic or NSW that bottle stores were listed as a business category that could remain open! Similar to tobacconists being able to remain open in France. Perhaps that also applies to NZ meth dealers, as per Fred99’s post a few pages back.

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#2444818 23-Mar-2020 19:16

mattwnz:

Yes it is an awesome thing to do. The problem for some landlords is that the rent was possibly covering the mortgage, and they may have been relying on future capital gains. So if they are not getting the income to cover it, then they could be out of pocket each week, and not sure if insurance would cover this? I am not a landlord myself, but my parents ave been in the past and it can be hard. All affected landlords should talk to their banks IMO if they might struggle to service the mortgage, if a tenant can't pay enough.

True but we are all affected. Employers, employees, working kids making their way. We all have to suck it up. Thats not now a cliche, its as fact. And support.

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#2444820 23-Mar-2020 19:17

vexxxboy:

one really experienced guy said there is no firm data that touching your face spreads it and sanitizer is good because it does kill germs but it is more to give people something to do '

watch him here

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/about-us/cidrap-staff/michael-t-osterholm-phd-mph so he knows what he is talking about

There was the start of a discussion in another thread (now locked) about this.

I was going to comment, I searched for peer-reviewed papers from public health / epidemiologists, most that I found were small-ish trials and looking at influenza A - close enough to Covid in terms of how it's transmitted. So sure - the research that was done does not support the concept that hand washing has great benefit (some trials reported a small benefit) - but - and it's a very big BUT:

All the trials were carried out with small groups in households etc. Not in the wider community. There was no way to retrospectively determine how the infection passed from one member to another (they would have probably got it anyway), the trials relied on self-reporting that they were adhering to hand washing protocol. Pretty terrible / useless data. I couldn't find any studies on large communities not living together - that for obvious reasons that to do so with a large number of participants would be nearly impossible to carry out. You'd need hundreds/thousands of participants, a control group, constant observation/supervision - and even then, it's impossible to do double-blind when the participant has to do something specific that they know they're doing, and doing that will alter other behaviour - for better or worse. (ie - I've washed my hands - so I'll pass you that piece of pizza or whatever).

So just wash your hands. It does kill the virus on your skin, and even if the reduction in overall transmission is small, a small reduction in transmission rate makes a huge difference several iterations of transmission down the track.

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#2444821 23-Mar-2020 19:18

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Geektastic: A reminder to anyone with pets and livestock. Make sure you have adequate food on hand.

We are still in drought in many areas, so hay, silage etc required. Cats and dogs etc also need food.

@Geektastic panic buyers have been stockpiling pet food as well, it seems.

Wife has managed to grab a couple of rolls of dog food from a supermarket today though, thankfully.

A family member told us that a friend was stopped from buying more than two cans or sachets of cat food but they could buy two cartons of the same product ?????

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2444822 23-Mar-2020 19:18

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loceff13:

People get horny they will find a way lol, will just be more talking over phone/facetime before you trust someone to meet them at someones home.

Is that an essential service? If you can manage the 2 metre distance a +1 is deserved.

Oh come now. If your gonna have a 2 meter distance surely a cam site is cheaper than a date!

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#2444825 23-Mar-2020 19:21

mattwnz:

Not sure how many of those would be considered 'essential service' companies? Maybe the warehouse food isles?

Thats the thing, they aren't.They are businesses so we need to support them. They are not essential, but the aren't involved in people going to high people gatherings to shop. The purpose of Level 4 is reducing contact. Yes, some will be at those workplaces but they need to be following the rules. I consider the reasoning is stores are shut off to the public, and online stores are shut off to the public.

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#2444828 23-Mar-2020 19:21

@freitasm:

Level 4 - mmmm - by the middle of the 4 weeks lock down you will have to increase your server side of things just for this Topic 😀

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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