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#2452699 1-Apr-2020 23:12

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WTH? I mean, we pick them up by our own means as we did already worldwide for 175,000 Germans!

+++ The New Zealand government continues to block the exit of foreigners who want to go home because of the Corona crisis - including around 12,000 Germans. The German embassy in Wellington announced on Facebook that the New Zealand State Department had informed the representations of all countries that the stop on the return flights, which originally ran until Wednesday, had been extended. "For how long was it not said." Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said at a press conference that the government was working on “framework conditions” for flight resumption, the message said. This would take "a few days". +++

My guess is if they were all sitting in Auckland ready to go this would be happening already. Likely the 12000 are strewn all around the country and have to be transported to Auckland. It's a fairly significant logistical problem that need to be sorted inside the country

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#2452700 1-Apr-2020 23:23

Tinkerisk:

WTH? I mean, we pick them up by our own means as we did already worldwide for 175,000 Germans!

+++ The New Zealand government continues to block the exit of foreigners who want to go home because of the Corona crisis - including around 12,000 Germans. The German embassy in Wellington announced on Facebook that the New Zealand State Department had informed the representations of all countries that the stop on the return flights, which originally ran until Wednesday, had been extended. "For how long was it not said." Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said at a press conference that the government was working on “framework conditions” for flight resumption, the message said. This would take "a few days". +++

We've got a lockdown. Better to leave German (and other) tourists and backpackers in hostels and camper vans and motels until that's eased, because 12,000 of them (plus ? thousands of others) travelling ad-hoc to the nearest (few) airports where a long range jet can pick them up hundreds at a time isn't a smart idea right now. The other side of it is that if our lockdown works and the tourists follow our procedures, then by the time they can be retrieved the chances of them cross-contaminating each other on a 24 hour trip should be minimal.

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#2452701 1-Apr-2020 23:26

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My guess is if they were all sitting in Auckland ready to go this would be happening already. Likely the 12000 are strewn all around the country and have to be transported to Auckland. It's a fairly significant logistical problem that need to be sorted inside the country

We Germans are robust. You can put us in a tent-city for one or two nights when demonstrating physical fitness and showing no symptoms. (You don't have to consider too luxury claims - didn't tell ya ;-)

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#2452702 1-Apr-2020 23:29

Fred99:

Tinkerisk:

WTH? I mean, we pick them up by our own means as we did already worldwide for 175,000 Germans!

+++ The New Zealand government continues to block the exit of foreigners who want to go home because of the Corona crisis - including around 12,000 Germans. The German embassy in Wellington announced on Facebook that the New Zealand State Department had informed the representations of all countries that the stop on the return flights, which originally ran until Wednesday, had been extended. "For how long was it not said." Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said at a press conference that the government was working on “framework conditions” for flight resumption, the message said. This would take "a few days". +++

We've got a lockdown. Better to leave German (and other) tourists and backpackers in hostels and camper vans and motels until that's eased, because 12,000 of them (plus ? thousands of others) travelling ad-hoc to the nearest (few) airports where a long range jet can pick them up hundreds at a time isn't a smart idea right now. The other side of it is that if our lockdown works and the tourists follow our procedures, then by the time they can be retrieved the chances of them cross-contaminating each other on a 24 hour trip should be minimal.

ACK - but I assume you don't want them in your ICUs soon.

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#2452703 1-Apr-2020 23:33

Tinkerisk:

Handle9:

My guess is if they were all sitting in Auckland ready to go this would be happening already. Likely the 12000 are strewn all around the country and have to be transported to Auckland. It's a fairly significant logistical problem that need to be sorted inside the country

We Germans are robust. You can put us in a tent-city for one or two nights when demonstrating physical fitness and showing no symptoms. (You don't have to consider too luxury claims - didn't tell ya ;-)

You Germans are many things ;) (I have worked for a German company for 14 years, currently in the middle east)

It's moving that many people through the country that is the issue. It's not like we can put them on an ICE and easily transport them.

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#2452704 1-Apr-2020 23:39

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ACK - but I assume you don't want them in your ICUs soon.

I hope not for their sake and for the sake of our limited resources. But it should be okay - last count (off the top of my head) we had about 11 total in hospital with C-19, 2 in ICU, and only one needing mechanical ventilation. Just guessing that many of the German tourists in NZ will be young, fit and healthy, not in risk groups.

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#2452711 2-Apr-2020 00:01

+++ The conversion of a Berlin exhibition hall into a Covid 19 treatment center begins today. The treatment center with up to 1000 beds is intended as a supplement if the hospitals in Berlin are busy. Seriously ill patients should continue to receive intensive medical care in clinics. So far, the clinics' capacities have been sufficient. +++

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#2452715 2-Apr-2020 00:54

Current data show that the Case Fatality Rate (CFR-7) in Germany has already increased to 2% (up from ~1% about 10 days ago) and seems likely to rise to possibly 3.6% by 7 April due to a higher proportion of older people in the confirmed cases over the last 7 days (see #2452558). If so, that will equate to a tripling of deaths by 7 April (higher fatality ratio and more cases). Actually, CFR-7 has already risen to 2.3% in the latest data out.

@Tinkerisk: the rate of increase in confirmed cases in Germany does not seemed to have flattened much. Less so (slightly!) than some other European countries. Has the rate of testing been increasing in Germany? (which could perhaps explain less tapering?)

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#2452716 2-Apr-2020 01:05

BTW re flattening of NZ curve. That likely relates mainly to earlier travel restrictions rather than the lockdown itself (would expect several more days before that starts to bite hard).

Especially the requirement from 10 days earlier (from 01:00, 16 Mar) that all travellers arriving from outside NZ had to self-isolate for 14 days.

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#2452720 2-Apr-2020 01:32

DS248:

@Tinkerisk: the rate of increase in confirmed cases in Germany does not seemed to have flattened much. Less so (slightly!) than some other European countries. Has the rate of testing been increasing in Germany? (which could perhaps explain less tapering?

Testing has been high from the beginning, that's why we have high numbers but (still) lower fatalities. Testing has increased a lot as well. Even veterinary labs do COVID-19 testing now. Bigger labs are doing 700-1000 tests/day each and smaller labs 50-100 tests/day each. Can't give you the total numbers but must be in the region of 100-200 Tsd/day.

It's remarkable that city-states like Bremen, Hamburg and Berlin are more disciplined according to #stayhome and have not as much increase in numbers than rural areas (who maybe took the virus not as serious from the beginning). If we can further push it to doubling the numbers after only 10-12 days, we possibly can prevent an overwhelming of the medical system (at least for the named cities). Untightening the measures to stayhome for the time to come would result in a desaster. I personnally still expect 2 month at least to stick to it.

I don't know it's an April 1st joke or not: Germany's trusted virulogist Prof. Chr. Drosten has got a cold today (but confirmed he's Covid-19 negative). That's why we don't get a daily podcast for today. :-)

>>> Next will be a release of a governmental smartphone App that logs anonymously with whom the user contacts by Bluetooth. The aim is to make it easier to follow up if a corona infection is confirmed to warn people for immediate self-quarantine. From the point of view of data protection experts, the German app follows the best approach in terms of IT security and data protection compared to others (we have strong data protection requirements regardless of any catastrophic events).

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#2452730 2-Apr-2020 07:08

Not good news.

A new study has been published in Nature.com.

It involves nine coronavirus cases in Germany.

It suggests that infected people can shed the virus at high levels during the first week of infection.

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#2452733 2-Apr-2020 07:34

kingdragonfly: Not good news.

A new study has been published in Nature.com.

It involves nine coronavirus cases in Germany.

It suggests that infected people can shed the virus at high levels during the first week of infection.

That, along with deCODE's study in Iceland showing up to 50% of infections are asymptomatic, is probably a good argument for everyone to wear a mask in public.

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#2452734 2-Apr-2020 07:35

At least we don't live in the US. Foreclosure protection only applies 62% of mortgages. Plus the level of relief a homeowner receives will depend on who owns their loan.

It’s April 1 — here’s what you need to know about paying your rent or mortgage in the US

HUD and other federal regulators have announced a moratorium on foreclosures and evictions for millions of Americans

...The federal moratoriums do not cover more than 40 million renters or 5 million homeowners with mortgage loans not backed by the government. And while the halt to foreclosures and evictions will keep many people in their homes temporarily, a bigger financial shock is brewing as others fall behind on their payments, industry analysts say.

...Renters face an even more precarious position. Some states and cities are offering temporary protection from evictions, but it is not universal.

...About half of renters in the country are “rent burdened,” spending more than 30 percent of their income on rent

...There has been a call for national rental assistance program, but it has yet to emerge.

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#2452736 2-Apr-2020 07:51

Independent: David Geffen: billionaire deletes instagram after 'tone-deaf' post from yacht

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#2452737 2-Apr-2020 08:01

John Hopkins website. May work better with Internet Explorer than Chrome.

Anyone find it ironic that "red states" in the US still mean states that voted Republican? (blue = Democrat)

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