2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2454498 4-Apr-2020 16:18

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FineWine:

But others prior to this post have come up with saner and more logical answers.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12306446

I guess don't get sick in Auckland!

Unfortunately that type of dickhead isn't just found in Auckland.

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#2454499 4-Apr-2020 16:19

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For the obvious reason that some ethnic groups prefer to be cared for by similar ethnic groups....

Are there enough docs around to cater for such preferences?

"Sorry, I'm not going to be crash intubated by that doc. I want to wait for the next shift when someone of my ethnicity is on."

I was asked once whether their child could be looked after by a Maori nurse whilst I worked at the BoP DHB. Whilst I worked in Sydney where there is a very large Muslim population, I always asked the Muslim mother whether she minded a male nurse looking after her child. I only ever had 1 or 2 who preferred a female nurse. Sometimes I would enter the room and the mother had taken off her hijab or khimar and did not bother to put it back on.

Medicine these days mostly crosses all barriers. Even language barriers. The number of times I have used google translate. I once used it to translate a whole breakfast menu and the funny thing is, that baked beans and corn flakes is the same in a lot of languages.

That question is still not correct in this day and age.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2454500 4-Apr-2020 16:23

FineWine:

As the next question is "What languages you speak", yes that question is quite bizarre. The only reason I can think of, and really hope I am wrong, is ethnicity is a touchy subject re the "Chinese Virus". So they throw all those other ethnicities in to cover that up.

Not bizarre at all. What if you have to treat a French tourist with bad English? If my mum were visiting she would need someone speaking Portuguese because she can barely speak English - and yes, she visited here before but I wouldn't expect her level of English be good enough to understand doctors during a health crisis.

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#2454504 4-Apr-2020 16:28

Dingbatt: The Trump bashing is getting a little tiresome in this thread. If you could confine it to the purpose built one (that you are a major contributor to) in the politics forum, that would allow this one to stay on topic.

What you call "Trump bashing" I call comparing the US response to other countries, lessons learned , and strategies that frankly we should do here also.

Seth opens with "We are all bracing for a difficult weeks, or months. There's a lot of things the Federal government could be doing right now to help us get through this, instead the President has essentially abdicated his responsibilities, and left the states up to themselves.

A pandemic likes this requires a centralized Federal response. You know how Republicans always complain about big government. Well, how sweet would a big government be right now? Because I don't know about you but this tiny government stuff sucks."

He then goes on about the CDC at length about the change of heart on masks.

He talks that the US becoming #1 in Coronavirus deaths was not inevitable.

He discusses Taiwan, just off the mainland of China, with millions of travellers. It was predicted that Taiwan would have the second most Covid-19 cases, but that 80 countries have more confirmed cases.

He had a grim statistic about deaths: US 7,144 vs Taiwan 5, and yes Taiwan is smaller but still has 1/6 the population of the US, so US 7,144 vs Taiwan 30 adjusted by population.

He goes on to talk about Taiwan did it, at length with specific steps taken, including the use of a two phone apps

where the closest place to buy masks, and how many are available.

the other all cases in Taiwan, and where they've been and their case histories: "Case 306 was a male in his 30s. He travelled to Egypt with a group from March 11 to March 19, and developed symptoms of ..."

He then discusses Iceland response, who use actual law enforcement detectives to track down suspects. Iceland literally tracks down every suspect in the country. With their aggressive testing, they avoided locking down the entire country.

He goes on to compare Iceland to New York's response.

Next he discusses South Korea, which had its first confirmed case literally on the same day as the US. Readers of this forum will know how well South Korea is doing.

He talks about how Fox News accidently invited a doctor on who quickly dispelled their statements that there are millions of test available in the US, and there's only a shortage of the quicker blood prick tests. The doctor complains the test aren't available, and that the US had months to stockpile test, but squandered the time.

Seth then goes on to discuss specific how states are bidding against each other for the same products, and dubious middlemen are profiteering because there's 50 bidders (the states) instead of 1 bidder (the federal government)

So I learned a lot about the coronavirus from this video, specifically I wasn't aware of Iceland's response.

I hope you actually watched it before accusing me of Trump-bashing.

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#2454505 4-Apr-2020 16:28

freitasm:

FineWine:

As the next question is "What languages you speak", yes that question is quite bizarre. The only reason I can think of, and really hope I am wrong, is ethnicity is a touchy subject re the "Chinese Virus". So they throw all those other ethnicities in to cover that up.

Not bizarre at all. What if you have to treat a French tourist with bad English? If my mum were visiting she would need someone speaking Portuguese because she can barely speak English - and yes, she visited here before but I wouldn't expect her level of English be good enough to understand doctors during a health crisis.

Apologies I answer the question badly.

As the next question is "What languages you speak", yes that question is quite bizarre.

Should read:

As the next question is "What languages you speak", yes the preceding ethnicity question is quite bizarre.

I have edited my post.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2454506 4-Apr-2020 16:29

freitasm:

FineWine:

As the next question is "What languages you speak", yes that question is quite bizarre. The only reason I can think of, and really hope I am wrong, is ethnicity is a touchy subject re the "Chinese Virus". So they throw all those other ethnicities in to cover that up.

Not bizarre at all. What if you have to treat a French tourist with bad English? If my mum were visiting she would need someone speaking Portuguese because she can barely speak English - and yes, she visited here before but I wouldn't expect her level of English be good enough to understand doctors during a health crisis.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'd never let a doctor (or anybody else) do anything at all to me unless I had a pretty good understanding of what they were doing and why. I'd be scared ****less to have any invasive procedure carried out by someone I couldn't communicate with.

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#2454507 4-Apr-2020 16:31

freitasm:
she would need someone speaking Portuguese because she can barely speak English - and yes, she visited here before but I wouldn't expect her level of English be good enough to understand doctors during a health crisis.

"...resembling some kind of gardening tool but we can’t quite [..] oh, it’s a *scythe*".

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#2454510 4-Apr-2020 16:32

Fred99:

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'd never let a doctor (or anybody else) do anything at all to me unless I had a pretty good understanding of what they were doing and why. I'd be scared ****less to have any invasive procedure carried out by someone I couldn't communicate with.

Change the story. You are a tourist in Laos. Your partner cannot come with you to the hospital because they're in lockdown and only patients can go in. You are going between high fever and short breath. Stressed out. Do you think you will understand anything unless someone comes and speak your language?

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#2454512 4-Apr-2020 16:41

kingdragonfly: What you call "Trump bashing" I call comparing the US response to other countries, lessons learned , and strategies that frankly we should do here also.

In the long term there's only going to be one measure that counts:

Before, and After.

The "After" part is still to come, but we have a reasonably good idea already for many countries of what it's going to look like. The size of the gap between Before and After is determined by leadership, or lack thereof.

Both of those endpoints are hard figures, so something that no amount of excuse-making can detract from.

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#2454513 4-Apr-2020 16:41

@Fred99 I have got used to doctors and nurses poking, prodding, probing and inserting giant needles. I just relax and drift away. The only thing that really gets to me is full body MRI, they hot, noisy and claustrophobic.
Actually lumbar puncture are not flash or needles in the chest.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2454514 4-Apr-2020 16:45

freitasm:

Fred99:

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'd never let a doctor (or anybody else) do anything at all to me unless I had a pretty good understanding of what they were doing and why. I'd be scared ****less to have any invasive procedure carried out by someone I couldn't communicate with.

Change the story. You are a tourist in Laos. Your partner cannot come with you to the hospital because they're in lockdown and only patients can go in. You are going between high fever and short breath. Stressed out. Do you think you will understand anything unless someone comes and speak your language?

Nope - and that would scare the bejesus out of me. It should scare the bejesus out of the Dr too - because his job is severely hindered if he can't communicate with the patient. Even a vet asks owners of pets questions to help with diagnosis.

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#2454517 4-Apr-2020 16:49

MikeB4: @Fred99 I have got used to doctors and nurses poking, prodding, probing and inserting giant needles. I just relax and drift away. The only thing that really gets to me is full body MRI, they hot, noisy and claustrophobic.
Actually lumbar puncture are not flash or needles in the chest.

Yes - but I assume you know why they're doing that?

I had to counsel a GP friend last year who needed an MRI. He was/is an eternal pessimist - scared that it was going to uncover the most unlikely things. We went through them one by one, he had the MRI, he was still alive and well this morning.

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#2454519 4-Apr-2020 16:53

Fred99:

freitasm:

Change the story. You are a tourist in Laos. Your partner cannot come with you to the hospital because they're in lockdown and only patients can go in. You are going between high fever and short breath. Stressed out. Do you think you will understand anything unless someone comes and speak your language?

Nope - and that would scare the bejesus out of me. It should scare the bejesus out of the Dr too - because his job is severely hindered if he can't communicate with the patient. Even a vet asks owners of pets questions to help with diagnosis.

And that's probably why they ask what languages a person speak in the form mentioned above - to help others understand if needed.

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#2454521 4-Apr-2020 17:06

freitasm:

And that's probably why they ask what languages a person speak in the form mentioned above - to help others understand if needed.

Precisely (not probably)

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#2454522 4-Apr-2020 17:08

Covid-19 coronavirus: WHO to advise NZ health officials on new face mask measures

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12322502

The article discusses NZ wearing masks at all times when in public. I would have thought it was common sense to only wear them in higher risk places, where bubbles risk coming in contact with one another, like when visiting the supermarket, and not when just going for a walk in open space.

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