2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2466393 20-Apr-2020 16:26

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Down to L3 Monday 27 April 23:59.

I still worry that this is still a bit early, but we’ll find out.

The PM did say that eradication is not getting rid of it entirely and that there was no community transfer according to the health experts , so no reason to stay in L4

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2466396 20-Apr-2020 16:30

I see the covid website is overloaded again.

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#2466398 20-Apr-2020 16:30

freitasm:
Down to L3 Monday 27 April 23:59.

The right call imo.

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#2466400 20-Apr-2020 16:31

Paul1977:
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Down to L3 Monday 27 April 23:59.

I still worry that this is still a bit early, but we’ll find out.

I think it's the right balance. It should save a large number of livelihoods, and who knows how many of the lost livelihoods will end up in lost lives. Our suicide stats and mental health statistics are bad enough already.

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#2466403 20-Apr-2020 16:31

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I am talking about the virus that is why I referenced Covid-19. There is not viable treatment or vaccine and not likely to be available for general release for circa 18months. The economy is a different story.

There is a viable treatment, that is successful for the vast majority of patients. There is no cure, but (a) that's a different thing from treatment, and (b) we live with many diseases and afflictions for which there is no cure.

From what I understand the current treatment is management of the worse symptoms and complications, there is no viable treatment that can be prescribed that combats the virus and mitigating symptoms and complications. There has been some proposed but to date no proven treatment that can be released for general use.

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#2466404 20-Apr-2020 16:33

I really hope that we have made the right choice if not the cost will be very high.

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#2466406 20-Apr-2020 16:36

The pm did mention the 1000 random tests that were all negative as proof that we are doing things right.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2466414 20-Apr-2020 16:42

vexxxboy:

The pm did mention the 1000 random tests that were all negative as proof that we are doing things right.

With a population of 5 million, you'd need 5000 community cases to pick up just one with that small number of tests. Unfortunately that isn't proof of anything, so I REALLY hope they didn't base any decisions on that.

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#2466424 20-Apr-2020 16:53

Paul1977:

vexxxboy:

The pm did mention the 1000 random tests that were all negative as proof that we are doing things right.

With a population of 5 million, you'd need 5000 community cases to pick up just one with that small number of tests. Unfortunately that isn't proof of anything, so I REALLY hope they didn't base any decisions on that.

they did one in Queenstown, 300 tests out of 15,000, you would think they pick something up there if community transfer was a worry.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2466433 20-Apr-2020 16:58

Press release:

New Zealand will move from COVID-19 Alert Level 4 to Alert Level 3 at 11.59pm on Monday April 27, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced.

The country will stay in Alert Level 3 for two weeks before a further review and Alert Level decision on May 11.

“Going hard and early to stamp out the virus, backed by an effort of 5 million New Zealanders to break the chain of transmission, means together we have helped stop the uncontrolled explosion of COVID-19 in New Zealand,” Jacinda Ardern said.

“On the recommendation of the Director General of Health, who is confident there is currently no widespread undetected community transmission in New Zealand, today we are able to take a balanced approach in transitioning through alert levels and restarting our economy.

“The sacrifices made to date have been huge. Cabinet wanted to make sure we lock in our gains, give ourselves some additional certainty, but take no more than two additional business days to do this before we restart our economy again.

“We want to see kiwis back in work as soon as possible and our economy rebound before others. At Level 3, 400,000 more New Zealanders will return to work, with key sectors for our recovery like construction, manufacturing and forestry starting up again. Having our economy operating with a low threat of the virus is the competitive advantage we can seize if we get this next phase right. And I believe we can.

“But at Level 3 we need to be even more vigilant and we must stick to the rules, continue to reduce contact and keep breaking the chain of transmission.

“And remember that we remain at Level 4 until you wake up next Tuesday. Let’s stick with our plan and the mission we have. Stay strong, stay home, let’s finish what we started.

“I couldn’t feel prouder of the start we have made together. But I also feel a huge responsibility to ensure we do not lose any of the gains we have made,” Jacinda Ardern said.

Editor’s note:

Under Alert Level 3, children who can stay at home should stay at home. At-risk students and staff should also stay at home, and they will be supported to do so. Early learning centres and schools will physically be open for up to Year 10 for families that need them. People will be allowed to enter schools and early learning centres from tomorrow for cleaning, maintenance and any other preparations to be ready to re-open for a Teacher Only Day on 28 April. We expect most children who need to attend to be able to from 29 April. It may take a bit longer for some schools and early learning centres to be ready.
This week businesses will be allowed to get ready to open, such as employers re-entering premises to receive stock if necessary, but they must stick to physical distancing and their bubbles.

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#2466435 20-Apr-2020 17:00

vexxxboy:

they did one in Queenstown, 300 tests out of 15,000, you would think they pick something up there if community transfer was a worry.

My maths might be failing me, but even with that wouldn't you still need an infection rate in the population of 2% to even find one case?

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#2466443 20-Apr-2020 17:06

Paul1977:

vexxxboy:

they did one in Queenstown, 300 tests out of 15,000, you would think they pick something up there if community transfer was a worry.

My maths might be failing me, but even with that wouldn't you still need an infection rate in the population of 2% to even find one case?

i think if they found 1-2 they would be worried and we would still be at level 4

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2466445 20-Apr-2020 17:06

The decision has been made now so I really hope it's the right one.

Other than schools opening, my biggest concern is that people won't understand the rules around extending their bubbles. I think clearer guidance is required on this point.

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#2466492 20-Apr-2020 17:46

Paul1977:

The decision has been made now so I really hope it's the right one.

Other than schools opening, my biggest concern is that people won't understand the rules around extending their bubbles. I think clearer guidance is required on this point.

my biggest concern is the unlinked cases despite 3 weeks of lockdown - one in whanganui and one in timaru. this suggests the virus is still around "in the wild" despite the strictest lockdown in the world. we need to play whack-a-mole for the foreseeable future.

? level 2, 3, 4 makes little difference to this virus' survivability ?

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