2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2482150 12-May-2020 19:00

Rikkitic:

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If they obey the same rules as a restaurant or a bar why shouldn't they be allowed to have a service?

I think the PM actually addressed that issue, though maybe not in so many words. Churchgoers of a more Pentecostal persuasion may be inclined to sing and dance and embrace fellow worshippers in an ecstasy of joyous belief. Diners have a more agnostic tendency to remain seated and eat in peace.

I think the issue is that restaurant congregations are more easily controlled. I believe the same logic is being applied to funerals.

Earlier someone mentioned that restaurant groups are unlikely to associate with other groups.In a Church, segregating into groups of 10 will likely involve cross group interactions as many will know each other.

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#2482152 12-May-2020 19:02

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And men are allowed to grapple, grab and tackle each other in groups of 16 (professional rugby training)

Fauci (US) addressed this issue - he's not happy about NFL resuming:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/11/us/fauci-nfl-spt-trnd/index.html

However, Fauci cautioned that it all depends on the level of infection in the community -- if the infection rate is still high, "you can't have a season -- it's impossible," he said

The infection rate in the US is high. It's low here.

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#2482154 12-May-2020 19:07

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"Time for me to stop but it's apparent why a few religous opportunists who depend on presence of a flock to fleece would be unhappy about this"

FTFY. Hope you understand why they shouldn't be granted special exemptions just because they claim to believe in some invisible men in the sky.

Wow. IMO you're breaking Wheatons Law here by labelling anyone who is religious as the same as Brian Tamaki.

No I'm not - read again. None of the religious people I know share Tamaki's (or your) extremist views.

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#2482155 12-May-2020 19:09

Hammerer:

That looks like you missed the point about which group size is used.

All the people at a restaurant form a group just like all the people in a church building.

ROFL. This thread is getting crazier by the minute.

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#2482161 12-May-2020 19:17

SepticSceptic:
There was a news article last night about a young lady being harassed / stalked via social media and txts from contact tracing details she had given at a Subway outlet.

I got it (OK I admit a couple of times last week), You online order - has always had a name and ph number on the make-up docket.

Now it has a barcode at the bottom, on pickup they zap the barcode to mark the time you went in and collected it. Some put it in the bag, some take it off and 'bin it for you'

Person would easily have my name, My number, and when/where. Same as if I dropped it on the ground on the way out.

Amazing the number of people that register on facebook with their cell number and leave it a searchable contact... Flaw has pretty much always been there. Just exploited in a time where there is a focus on personal details.

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#2482162 12-May-2020 19:21

Meanwhile the white house might have fun on their hands.

At least 2, and close counter engagements were heavy prior to positive result

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/416415/white-house-staff-ordered-to-wear-masks

Everyone has to wear them.. except the big guy. Above the law on a few occasions apparently

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#2482164 12-May-2020 19:24

Handle9:

Fred99:

A congregation is commonly referred to as a "flock". Their leader is often called a "pastor" - check the etymology. They freaking well are a group.

Stop accusing me of making things up as a BS argument to excuse morons. Please - I'll lose patience.

You are making the assumption that all churches won't modify the way the organise and conduct their services.

If they obey the same rules as a restaurant or a bar why shouldn't they be allowed to have a service?

Church usually involves far more than just a 30-45 minute service. Then there is socializing afterwards, eg morning tea events etc, and possibly other events and meetings such as bible classes. People also congregate in groups before the service. How are they going to control these down to groups of 10, and make sure that people don't walk around to other people in other groups to chat? This won't occur in restaurants, because the groups usually don't know each other, and the seating can be be stagger, so there won't be a big group of 100 people outside waiting, all knowing one another.

The PM was very clear today that when socializing, there are to be groups of no more than 10 people. Personally I think it very clear, and is just common sense.

IMO alot of these restrictions seem to be down to tracing, and not overwhelming the tracing system should undetected CT start to occur. WE don't want to repeat what previously happened, as our cases were close to exploding, and we don't have the hospital resources of European countries as previously noted on previous pages in this thread.

If we allowed churches, then it is a slippery slope, because then others will complain about other things not being able to operate. If we allow churches, then why can't I have more than 10 people in my house, if I keep it down to 10 per room?

It is impossible to expect people who know one another, to not socialise with other in the same area.

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#2482168 12-May-2020 19:29

Hammerer:

That looks like you missed the point about which group size is used.

All the people at a restaurant form a group just like all the people in a church building.

No, each table / group of up to 10 people, is isolated from one another in the restaurant. Those tables are physically separated. Those groups of people of up to 10 don't interact with any other people in the restaurant apart from the one server.

Although how this works in practice, and how separated the tables are is yet to be seen. Some restaurants have a very small footprint and the tables are close together. But these restaurant have a financial incentive to make sure they do it right if they want to open, and the public will be making sure they do things right. Guessing we will see examples on the news where some aren't , like we saw with fast food joints when they opened.

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#2482171 12-May-2020 19:31

Oblivian:
Everyone has to wear them.. except the big guy.

I'd rather no-one wore them around the big guy, but we have to take what we can get.

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#2482174 12-May-2020 19:34

I get forced to go to church once a year by work. We have approx 180 people sitting very closely to each other for an hour and a half. During that time a collection box is passed around which a number of people touch. Afterwards we have tea coffee and snacks and socialise.

My work has cancelled the services for the rest of the year as it considers it too risky and instead will be having online chapel.

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#2482175 12-May-2020 19:41

Sooo, wondering if I should start a new thread or whether asking in here is the right place.

Just wondering if anyone can please enlighten on the level 2 (proposed) protocols for shopping. I've seen the term contact register used, and wondering exactly what this means.

Specifically:

Does one have to supply contact details?
What level of detail is mandated?
Are the details specifically to supply a point of contact?

TIA.

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#2482177 12-May-2020 19:46

zaptor:

Sooo, wondering if I should start a new thread or whether asking in here is the right place.

Just wondering if anyone can please enlighten on the level 2 (proposed) protocols for shopping. I've seen the term contact register used, and wondering exactly what this means.

Specifically:

Does one have to supply contact details?
What level of detail is mandated?
Are the details specifically to supply a point of contact?

TIA.

There are some details here:

https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-system/alert-level-2/#controls-at-alert-level-2

At Alert Level 2 businesses can have customers on their premises if they can meet public health requirements. This means businesses should:

have good contact registers, or contact tracing records, in place to record everyone who you interact with on your premises
maintain physical distancing of 1 metre between groups of customers, or 2 metres if not possible to keep contact tracing records
not have groups larger than 10 people
maintain a 2 hour time limit for customers to be on your premises.

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#2482180 12-May-2020 19:51

Fred99:

Handle9:

Wow. IMO you're breaking Wheatons Law here by labelling anyone who is religious as the same as Brian Tamaki.

No I'm not - read again. None of the religious people I know share Tamaki's (or your) extremist views.

I don't always see eye to eye with Handle 9 but I haven't seen him expressing any extremist views in this thread.

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#2482181 12-May-2020 19:51

zaptor:

Sooo, wondering if I should start a new thread or whether asking in here is the right place.

Just wondering if anyone can please enlighten on the level 2 (proposed) protocols for shopping. I've seen the term contact register used, and wondering exactly what this means.

Specifically:

Does one have to supply contact details?
What level of detail is mandated?
Are the details specifically to supply a point of contact?

TIA.

Good question. I dunno :-) But we will find out. End of the day, it needs to be enough detail so that you can be contacted if someone at the store contracted Covid-19. At minimum, First name and phone number/email address. One would hope its not a register book arrangement. Maybe the checkout person takes the details. Except tyre kickers would get missed.

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#2482182 12-May-2020 19:51

All this "discussion" about church going - it's only another couple of weeks for goodness sake 😠

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