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Paul1977

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#3505476 23-Jun-2026 15:07

dafman:

In the same post you said you were not a scientist, you went to say: "From what I can tell, pretty much all the evidence that too much red meat is bad is coming from findings that actually say red & processed meat is bad - but they don't seem to distinguish between the two. High LDL in the absence of other risk factors also may not be as catastrophic as has been previously thought."

I'm not sure I'd agree that those are conclusions. But that aside, what part of the above is incorrect?

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#3505484 23-Jun-2026 15:37

Paul1977:

dafman:

In the same post you said you were not a scientist, you went to say: "From what I can tell, pretty much all the evidence that too much red meat is bad is coming from findings that actually say red & processed meat is bad - but they don't seem to distinguish between the two. High LDL in the absence of other risk factors also may not be as catastrophic as has been previously thought."

I'm not sure I'd agree that those are conclusions. But that aside, what part of the above is incorrect?

I've added the emphasis to your two unsubstantiated claims:

From what I can tell, pretty much all the evidence that too much red meat is bad is coming from findings that actually say red & processed meat is bad.
High LDL in the absence of other risk factors also may not be as catastrophic as has been previously thought.

But, seriously, I don't want to get into a debate about the 'evidence', or what is 'correct', because, like you, I don't have any medical training to distinguish fact from fiction or to identify shortcomings or floors in the data. What I do know is watching YouTube influencers is definitely no substitute for years of rigorous medical training, so I defer to the trained experts when it comes to my health.

This my last post on this particular thread. All the best for your weight loss journey.

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#3505567 23-Jun-2026 16:12

dafman:

I've added the emphasis to your two unsubstantiated claims:

From what I can tell, pretty much all the evidence that too much red meat is bad is coming from findings that actually say red & processed meat is bad.
High LDL in the absence of other risk factors also may not be as catastrophic as has been previously thought.
But, seriously, I don't want to get into a debate about the 'evidence', or what is 'correct', because, like you, I don't have any medical training to distinguish fact from fiction or to identify shortcomings or floors in the data. What I do know is watching YouTube influencers is definitely no substitute for years of rigorous medical training, so I defer to the trained experts when it comes to my health.

This my last post on this particular thread. All the best for your weight loss journey.

If unsubstantiated means I didn't cite any sources, then I guess they are - but I didn't get any info off YouTube or carnivore forums either.

Like you I'm also not particularly interested in debating this further, mainly because my position isn't even to defend carnivore.

All the best.

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#3505568 23-Jun-2026 16:15

It's also interesting to go through and actually add up how many KJ you're actually consuming per day, as close you can figure. Some stuff is really surprising (or maybe it isn't). In inverse sort of way I had to do this recently for a pushbike race. But it was trying to work out how I could actually stuff down a certain volume of, well kJ, whilst riding a bike, over a certain amount of time. So we were having to calculate the energy from foods the day before, breakfast etc etc.

I like a Subway sandwich from time to time and someone pointed out the cookie I was eating from there for my dessert are quite good to try and eat on the bike (they're quite a soft cookie). When we looked them up, a six inch BMT is about 1980kJ, one chocolate chip cookie is 932kJ. I'd just eaten three so had essentially eaten my original footlong, plus another six inch equivalent. In one sitting. Or roughly half my daily required intake (10,500ish kJ).

I've always thought alcohol is another odd one in a way. We have nutrition labels on everything else, but not alcohol. I haven't really drunk much in the last ten years or so, but I think I saw some nutrition thing for a nice strong Hazy and all I could think of is would I drink six cans of coke in that time frame for the equivalent of two pints?

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#3505584 23-Jun-2026 16:24

mudguard:

It's also interesting to go through and actually add up how many KJ you're actually consuming per day, as close you can figure. Some stuff is really surprising (or maybe it isn't). In inverse sort of way I had to do this recently for a pushbike race. But it was trying to work out how I could actually stuff down a certain volume of, well kJ, whilst riding a bike, over a certain amount of time. So we were having to calculate the energy from foods the day before, breakfast etc etc.

I like a Subway sandwich from time to time and someone pointed out the cookie I was eating from there for my dessert are quite good to try and eat on the bike (they're quite a soft cookie). When we looked them up, a six inch BMT is about 1980kJ, one chocolate chip cookie is 932kJ. I'd just eaten three so had essentially eaten my original footlong, plus another six inch equivalent. In one sitting. Or roughly half my daily required intake (10,500ish kJ).

I've always thought alcohol is another odd one in a way. We have nutrition labels on everything else, but not alcohol. I haven't really drunk much in the last ten years or so, but I think I saw some nutrition thing for a nice strong Hazy and all I could think of is would I drink six cans of coke in that time frame for the equivalent of two pints?

Damnit, now I want some Subway M&M cookies.

I'm sure if I added up my pre-diet KJ intake it would be insanely high for the amount of energy I expend.

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#3505601 23-Jun-2026 17:26

It is no secret that major food corporations do indeed use addictive substances in their products—this has been conclusively proven. Interestingly, the foundational research for this originated in the cigarette industry. A prime example is a can of Pringles: you only put it down once it is empty.

If nature had intended for us to always know exactly how many calories we were consuming, it would have built a calorie counter into us. The primary goal, therefore, is to eliminate these triggering, misleading signals in order to return to normal eating habits... and yes, just like with any addiction, this process is accompanied by withdrawal symptoms.

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#3505612 23-Jun-2026 18:34

I suspect this thread has served its purpose and run its course.

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#3505673 24-Jun-2026 04:25

timmmay:

I suspect this thread has served its purpose and run its course.

Yes. In the end, what counts anyway ... is the sustainable result in two to three years.

Qui nihil scit, omnia credere debet. - He who knows nothing must believe everything.
Firewalls do NOT stop dragons. Really not!
I avoid Big Tech. They try hard to dictate technology and „culture“ across borders.
In effect we have everything to hide from someone, and no idea who „someone“ is.

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