2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2539232 12-Aug-2020 11:00

If these idiots in Parliament still won't pass a law that mandates jail or, at a minimum, crippling levels of fines for lockdown breaches and knowing travel whilst displaying symptoms, then really they might as well just take a hike.

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#2539236 12-Aug-2020 11:02

Geektastic:

freitasm:

"A woman from the family travelled to Rotorua last weekend - even with symptoms."

If we are a team of 5 million, this person deserves whatever the equivalent of a Red Card is.

There needs to be punishment to deter people from doing this: the consequences are simply too expensive and disruptive to just give people a ticking off.

Instead, let's play the privacy card.

I am all for privacy if you got infected on no fault of your own. But as soon as you have symptoms and start behaving like an idiot, your privacy should go the way of the trash can.

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#2539237 12-Aug-2020 11:05

CYaBro:

Close the airports for all but cargo and make returning kiwis come back by ship.
There's nothing that says they have a right to return by plane.

Agreed that you can't make someone stateless. But if someone has dual nationality or permanent residency in another country and is not normally resident in NZ, I don't think they should be allowed to travel here. For context, I have NZ and UK citizenship and lived away from NZ for 20+ years. If this had kicked off while I was away, I don't see why I should have been entitled to jump on a plane and relocate back to NZ.

This is all about numbers and probability - with the thousands of people that are crossing our border every week, we are going to get infections. We need to reduce the probability and infection rate by dramatically reducing the inbound travel rate

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#2539239 12-Aug-2020 11:08

freitasm:

"A woman from the family travelled to Rotorua last weekend - even with symptoms."

Before everyone jumps on this woman, remember last weekend the general consensus was that there was NO community transfer, it is winter, and many of the population are likely to have cold-like symptoms, including many of those social media junkies likely to pile on this woman in the days to come.

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#2539240 12-Aug-2020 11:10

dafman:

freitasm:

"A woman from the family travelled to Rotorua last weekend - even with symptoms."

Before everyone jumps on this woman, remember last weekend the general consensus was that there was NO community transfer, it is winter, and many of the population are likely to have cold-like symptoms, including many of those social media junkies likely to pile on this woman in the days to come.

The family had symptoms. There appears at some point there's a crossing with airport facilities or similar. Not too much to ask for self-awareness, is it?

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#2539242 12-Aug-2020 11:14

CYaBro:

Close the airports for all but cargo and make returning kiwis come back by ship.
There's nothing that says they have a right to return by plane.

If you're in the UK, a Kiwi, and your father dies suddenly here. That's a four week quarantine to go to the funeral. And you're suggesting a boat? I don't think people coming back are making the decision lightly.

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#2539243 12-Aug-2020 11:17

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freitasm:

"A woman from the family travelled to Rotorua last weekend - even with symptoms."

No words. And again this kind of bad news is slowly being dripped out. Supposedly 130 close contacts just in one of the infected guy's workplace. Level 4 here we go.

My partner is a close contact of a close contact of a person in one of the affected workplaces.

I apparently can't get a test unless I'm symptomatic but I've had to tell my workplace and they can't get any certainty as a result.

This is going to be bad.

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#2539245 12-Aug-2020 11:19

mudguard:

CYaBro:

Close the airports for all but cargo and make returning kiwis come back by ship.
There's nothing that says they have a right to return by plane.

If you're in the UK, a Kiwi, and your father dies suddenly here. That's a four week quarantine to go to the funeral. And you're suggesting a boat? I don't think people coming back are making the decision lightly.

I'd have the same situation in reverse.

However, I did not actually return when my father died, having been to see him in hospital a few weeks prior. I have not seen my mother since a wedding in New Orleans in March 2019. I remain unsure as to whether I would risk travelling to the UK for a funeral to be honest although as far as I know she is fine.

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#2539246 12-Aug-2020 11:21

Scott3:

Frankly, a Job loss in NZ is not comparable to somebody being made effectively stateless.

You're right, because one is a thing with severe repercussions and the other is an absurdity because not being able to cross a border during a global pandemic does not render you stateless by any logical stretch of the imagination. You still have a valid New Zealand passport. You just can't use it, just like when a flight is cancelled or airspace is closed.

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#2539247 12-Aug-2020 11:21

GV27:

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My partner is a close contact of a close contact of a person in one of the affected workplaces.

I apparently can't get a test unless I'm symptomatic but I've had to tell my workplace and they can't get any certainty as a result.

This is going to be bad.

Cough...sneeze...bit of a sore throat...test please...

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#2539248 12-Aug-2020 11:23

Compared to most other countries in the world the information we're getting is remarkably transparent and detailed.

The questions these journos are asking in the press conference are clutching at straws. They are quibbling about a couple of hours...hours. I don't think you can get any faster than that.

And as to some of the comments here about heavily fining people, I do agree, but as seen in Australia even with those in place it doesn't stop idiots.

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#2539251 12-Aug-2020 11:25

dafman:
freitasm:

"A woman from the family travelled to Rotorua last weekend - even with symptoms."

Before everyone jumps on this woman, remember last weekend the general consensus was that there was NO community transfer, it is winter, and many of the population are likely to have cold-like symptoms, including many of those social media junkies likely to pile on this woman in the days to come.

1. Depends on symptoms. If paucisymptomatic then may not be aware of if at that time only by hindsight. If sick as a dog then yeah shouldn't have. If runny nose then there are people with hayfever who always have runny nose, migraine who always have headache etc.

2. Yeah everyone was declaring zero community transmission happily until AB had to say last week what he had to say but presumably that cockiness was still around.

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#2539253 12-Aug-2020 11:28

mudguard:

CYaBro:

Close the airports for all but cargo and make returning kiwis come back by ship.
There's nothing that says they have a right to return by plane.

If you're in the UK, a Kiwi, and your father dies suddenly here. That's a four week quarantine to go to the funeral. And you're suggesting a boat? I don't think people coming back are making the decision lightly.

People come back here for funerals, and then there’s more funerals when something goes wrong. No thanks.

It’s a global pandemic for goodness sakes. Not a situation our norms are based around. As long as the government keeps insisting the right of return, and exemptions of quarantine the country is screwed.

What’s happening now was known to happen as the question wasn’t if but when.

From what I’ve read so far It’s starting to look like Auckland Airport is the source, not the facilities themselves.

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#2539258 12-Aug-2020 11:35

Nice to see 1news actually airing the full press conference and not cutting it short. Also I'm annoyed to learn my Aunt is one of those idiots who think the virus isn't real though I'm not surprised she's always been a bit of a nutcase.

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#2539259 12-Aug-2020 11:35

If you ask me (which no one did) i would be releasing the companies that have been ID'd. Sure there is contact tracing however it would be better for people to know if they have had any contact with that company or people that might work there.

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