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#2539352 12-Aug-2020 13:33

dejadeadnz:

I don't see a need to pile on but equally these idiots need to be recognised as what they are. These are unprecedented times and there are numerous warnings everywhere about how you shouldn't enter/travel if you are displaying symptoms of cold/flu/Covid. The consequences of an outbreak is catastrophic and ethical people need to start acting with an abundance of cautious and resolve things in favour of community health and public interest, instead of what is merely personally convenient.

I do agree with you. I also feel that we as a nation have to get real again. I do to a degree blame the press and the government grandstanding the 10, 20 40... or more days without community transfer giving the impression that everything was hunky and dory in godzone. Not every one can read between the lines and see the folks in the Beehive and folk in the media as gospel tellers and folks could easily disbelieve that 1+2= 3 or covid.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2539354 12-Aug-2020 13:38

Hemi88: I was just talking to my brother this morning and he was amazed at how fast we reacted this time they are still getting over a thousand a day we he is some population size of Hamilton, all of us done it before we can do it again

Wow,

Although at that rate you will burn the virus out in a month or two,.. Hamilton is 170K, so a week at 1K/day is 4% of the population, and the actual infection rates will be higher as many wont be being tested.... so you could potentially have 20-30% infected after a month...

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#2539355 12-Aug-2020 13:41

MikeB4:

I also feel that we as a nation have to get real again. I do to a degree blame the press and the government grandstanding the 10, 20 40... or more days without community transfer giving the impression that everything was hunky and dory in godzone. Not every one can read between the lines and see the folks in the Beehive and folk in the media as gospel tellers and folks could easily disbelieve that 1+2= 3 or covid.

A common theme has been we will get CT, we must not be complacent, its a long journey. Hunky and dory in Godzone? Not sure what you've been watching, that has never been the theme. As to a lot of the general public, covid ended a long time ago. despite what they are repeatedly told by MoH, Govt, others, they got complacent. Now we have people, in Hamilton lining up for a 6 hour wait to get a test and I'd wager not many have symptoms. Sheep.

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#2539356 12-Aug-2020 13:45

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Hemi88: I was just talking to my brother this morning and he was amazed at how fast we reacted this time they are still getting over a thousand a day we he is some population size of Hamilton, all of us done it before we can do it again

Wow,

Although at that rate you will burn the virus out in a month or two,.. Hamilton is 170K, so a week at 1K/day is 4% of the population, and the actual infection rates will be higher as many wont be being tested.... so you could potentially have 20-30% infected after a month...

Only if you followed Melbourne and used a part time dont upset anyone lockdown. If you lockdown properly, the virus would potentially stop spreading that day, as there is no one to spread it to outside the house fence.

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#2539358 12-Aug-2020 13:51

Relevance to clearing up rage..

https://youtu.be/kXfgCjRTQRs?t=112

for 25 or so seconds. Was what was seen and cut short. Then there was further info from Q&A:

https://youtu.be/kXfgCjRTQRs?t=1416

Details of trip - was not for family visit so not a small group of known contacts but rather tourist venues

https://youtu.be/kXfgCjRTQRs?t=2587

Tues. Tested. Symptomatic including in the workplace

I can't find the other timestamp, but it was noted. The visit was made, while symptomatic

So unless while symptomatic all precautions were taken as we were all advised for even a sneeze (tui?) (and yes that falls in the hayfever brand, still should wash hands and capture droplets). Well...

Further was also seemingly accidentally slipped out by the PM. Mentioning a coldstore, then lead to queries about businesses effected and surface testing and so on. So take from that what you will. But it does narrow down the fields and possible links when they mention airport early on.

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#2539406 12-Aug-2020 13:54

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Another issue we have here is Sick leave is pretty tight. You have a sniffle, but not a full on cold. You don't want to take a day off your sick leave (or you have already used your 5 days).

Maybe something that could come out of this in the washup is that sick leave needs to be looked at. Along the lines of either doubling it or letting it accumulate more than 20 days.

After this settles , Employers should be held accountable and heavily fined if they allow sick employees to carry on working, possibly infecting other staff and customers with flu .
Pre covid , Ive been sent out to clients premises while still sick/infectious . Yep , spread it around .

Attitudes need to change. That will require heavy fines .

Many years ago when I worked at a university a study had been done that resulted in the implementation of unlimited sick leave as it a was found that there was far less abuse of the system than providing a defined amount. It made complete sense to me back then and I can't understand why it didn't become more widely adopted. Rightly or wrongly people when sick will take into consideration their current sick leave balance and the potential implications.

Even in my current job where we accrue 20 days per year up to 100 days sick leave I think they would be better off making it unlimited.

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#2539407 12-Aug-2020 13:54

wellygary:
Hemi88: I was just talking to my brother this morning and he was amazed at how fast we reacted this time they are still getting over a thousand a day we he is some population size of Hamilton, all of us done it before we can do it again

Wow,

Although at that rate you will burn the virus out in a month or two,.. Hamilton is 170K, so a week at 1K/day is 4% of the population, and the actual infection rates will be higher as many wont be being tested.... so you could potentially have 20-30% infected after a month...

he lives in a small part of Tennessee on the border of Georgia not much restriction
It could be the whole of Tennessee I’ll have to check back with him the county that his city is in is about 380k about 180 in Chattanooga

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#2539421 12-Aug-2020 14:27

The police are being useless again.

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Don't turn these dicks driving out of Auckland to baches away. Arrest them, charge them, argue against bail, and make their lives miserable. Do something to enforce the law. You are not school teachers.

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#2539424 12-Aug-2020 14:30

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MikeB4:

I also feel that we as a nation have to get real again. I do to a degree blame the press and the government grandstanding the 10, 20 40... or more days without community transfer giving the impression that everything was hunky and dory in godzone. Not every one can read between the lines and see the folks in the Beehive and folk in the media as gospel tellers and folks could easily disbelieve that 1+2= 3 or covid.

A common theme has been we will get CT, we must not be complacent, its a long journey. Hunky and dory in Godzone? Not sure what you've been watching, that has never been the theme. As to a lot of the general public, covid ended a long time ago. despite what they are repeatedly told by MoH, Govt, others, they got complacent. Now we have people, in Hamilton lining up for a 6 hour wait to get a test and I'd wager not many have symptoms. Sheep.

Why are they only lining up today, if they have already got symptoms?. Why not when they developed the symptoms days ago/weeks ago, as I doubt they all developed them overnight. The MOH changing the requirements of testing after moving down the levels and making getting a test more strict, which then meant that testing numbers dropped to just a trickle ,IMO has a lot to do with this lack of testing occurring, and well under what the minister of health had called for. He wanted over 4000 a day. They only processed 1,874 yesterday, which is poor. The lack of preparedness too for another outbreak is also a problem IMO. Only in the last few weeks have the Covid ads been on TV again, and there has been no specific education campaign about downloading the Covid app, and showing non technical people how to use it, and make all businesses install QR codes. Most people here may have downloaded it, but we would be the exception rather than the rule. Nor any campaign on how to safely wear masks,

The MOH has also told people repeatedly that they should stay home if sick with cold or flu symptoms, and also get tested. Not go to work or travel around NZ, and then decide to get tested after the fact. I don't know what some people are thinking.Or they are just not thinking. At least some of these people lining up to get tested today could these these same people who ignored their symptoms for days and may have gone to work, or school etc, because they were led to believe that there was no community transmission occurring. When there could have been CT occurring for the last few weeks, or even longer.

I am so frustrated, because I think we may have been able to avoid this lockdown. If a significant proportion of the population was using the app, and businesses had been required to install QR codes, and required people to use them. Up until now, I got the impression that it was only people who were overcautious, who were using the app, especially based on the very low scan numbers occurring, I don't think people realized that when a CT case would be eventually detected, it could immediately force a level 3 lockdown if they couldn't identify case number zero. I think people expected that it would be a slower transition. NZ was in level 1, so was very susceptible to an outbreak if a leak occurred at the at the border, which appears to have happened, because the evidence shows that we did eliminate the virus from the community.

The number one thing they need to also do is find case number zero and find out why the leak occurred, to prevent another leak via the same path. Also people have been saying that managed isolation is not a prison, even though it essentially is as people can't leave it, but it is obviously far more comfortable. But our managed isolation doesn't appear to be as strict as it is in Oz, where people are confined to their rooms, and I am sure China's is also pretty strict compared to NZs, and I don;'t think they have had a leak in China from their quarantine facilities. But if there is a leak causing community transmission, it then means that we all have to pay the price and go into forms of lockdown or significant restrictions, which can have a significant cost.

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#2539430 12-Aug-2020 14:38

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I was watching the live stream on my Pixel 4XL on Vodafone last night and didn't get the message. But my Motorola Z2 on 2D got the message but it was entitled Presidential Message!

This is a known "feature" of phones that are mainly marketed in the US market. Nothing to see here.

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#2539431 12-Aug-2020 14:38

Hemi88: he lives in a small part of Tennessee on the border of Georgia not much restriction
It could be the whole of Tennessee I’ll have to check back with him the county that his city is in is about 380k about 180 in Chattanooga

1000 daily cases is state wide.... total of 124K from 1.8M tests - total pop of TN = ~6-7 million, so that's not as bad, but not flash either..

https://www.tn.gov/health/cedep/ncov.html

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#2539434 12-Aug-2020 14:39

mattwnz:

Why are they only lining up today, if they have already got symptoms?. Why not when they developed the symptoms days ago/weeks ago. The MOH changing the requirements of testing after moving down the levels, which then meant that testing numbers dropped to just a trickle ,IMO has a lot to do with this lack of testing occurring, and well under what the minister of health had called for. The lack of preparedness too for another outbreak is also a problem IMO. Only in the last few weeks have the Covid ads been on TV again, and there has been no specific education campaign about downloading the Covid app, and showing non technical people how to use it, and make all businesses install QR codes. Most people here may have downloaded it, but we would be the exception rather than the rule. Nor any campaign on how to safely wear masks,

The MOH has also told people repeatedly that they should stay home if sick with cold or flu symptoms, and also get tested. Not go to work or travel around NZ, and then decide to get tested after the fact. I don't know what some people are thinking.Or they are just not thinking. At least some of these people lining up to get tested today could these these same people who ignored their symptoms for days and may have gone to work, or school etc, because they were led to believe that there was no community transmission occurring. When there could have been CT occurring for the last few weeks, or even longer.

I am so frustrated, because I think we may have been able to avoid this lockdown. If significant proportion of the population was using the app, and businesses had been required to install QR codes, and required people to use them. I don't think people realized that when a CT case would be eventually detected, it could immediately force a level 3 lockdown if they couldn't identify case number zero. I think people expected that it would be a slower transition. NZ was in level 1, so was very susceptible to an outbreak if a leak occurred at the at the border, which appears to have happened, because the evidence shows that we did eliminate the virus from the community.

The number one thing they need to also do is find case number zero and find out why the leak occurred, to prevent another leak via teh same path. Also people have been saying that managed isolation is not a prison. Well our managed isoaltion isn't as strict as it is in Oz, where people are confined to their rooms, and I am sure China's is also pretty strict compared to NZs, and I don;'t think they have had a leak in China from their quarantine facilities. But if there is a leak causing community transmission occurs, it then means that we all have to pay the price and go into forms of lockdown or significant restrictions, which can have a significant cost.

As I said, I bet most have no symptoms they are panic testing, so many genuine people have to wait longer and how many turned around and went home?

You cant test if no one asks for one, complacency, you can talk to you are blue in the face as MoH has done all along, but humans see there is no CT so dont bother. You can never fix that. That we have CT now will fix that. Same why many dont use the app. People fleeing AKL, just like Italy.

Its not actually that hard, but we have a team of 4.9 Million not 5 million

Im picking 50 cases, but as from today theoretically it cannot spread. Lets see what happens

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#2539444 12-Aug-2020 14:45

tdgeek:

Im picking 50 cases, but as from today theoretically it cannot spread. Lets see what happens

Time will tell, but we may not know for up to 2 weeks now due to the incubation period. But it does largely depend on when the leak occurred, as to how many potential cases there could be, and how much it has spread. Sounds like there is at least three more cases at a workplace, which is fine, as they can be traced back. Guessing tomorrows testing numbers will dwarf yesterdays number of under 2000.

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#2539446 12-Aug-2020 14:46

wellygary:
Hemi88: he lives in a small part of Tennessee on the border of Georgia not much restriction
It could be the whole of Tennessee I’ll have to check back with him the county that his city is in is about 380k about 180 in Chattanooga

1000 daily cases is state wide.... total of 124K from 1.8M tests - total pop of TN = ~6-7 million, so that's not as bad, but not flash either..

https://www.tn.gov/health/cedep/ncov.html

my brother just got back to me you’re right he meant state

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#2539448 12-Aug-2020 14:48

mattwnz:

Spending so much time on IMOs and large posts isn't healthy for ones state.

Stop worrying about others and concerning for them so much and were we did or didn't get it wrong. Get out and about. Live life

And back to day 0 mentality. Treat everyone as if you/they have it. Take caution into your own hands. And everything will be fine.

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