2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2543868 18-Aug-2020 18:02

freitasm:

wellygary:

QR codes should have been mandatory from the start, and people should have been told to use them.. not "suggested"

The aftermath will probably see more QR use, and stocking up of masks, so that they can potentially be required quickly

This, quoted and bold. QR codes not being mandatory has probably made tracing harder. I still scanned every time that I went into any business - if available.

wouldnt have mattered to me , i dont have a phone.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2543870 18-Aug-2020 18:03

MikeB4:
I had to go upstairs in a building that had an escalator. In front of was about ten folk on the escalator and at least 6 had their uncovered hand on the rubber escalator band. I have to steady my self on these things and I use my covered elbow to do so. Preferably I would avoid places like this.

I remember reading years ago, long before 'pandemic' was a thing except for historians with an interest in 'the Spanish Flu', that the "dirtiest" public place in terms of germs /sq cm was the rubber escalator band. Far worse than public toilets or any of the other places you might expect to be germ-ridden.

So your coping strategies are extremely sound 👍

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#2543872 18-Aug-2020 18:06

MikeB4: I am surprised still at the surfaces people touch needlessly with their hands like......
Push doors
Escalator hand rail
Traffic signal crossing buttons
Browsing and handling items in shops (not buying)
Elevator buttons.

I had to go upstairs in a building that had an escalator. In front of was about ten folk on the escalator and at least 6 had their uncovered hand on the rubber escalator band. I have to steady my self on these things and I use my covered elbow to do so. Preferably I would avoid places like this.

I understand these copper button pushers/door openers are popular in China. Copper is really good at destroying viruses.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=copper+pusher

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#2543880 18-Aug-2020 18:21

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#2543884 18-Aug-2020 18:32

freitasm:
wellygary:

QR codes should have been mandatory from the start, and people should have been told to use them.. not "suggested"

The aftermath will probably see more QR use, and stocking up of masks, so that they can potentially be required quickly

This, quoted and bold. QR codes not being mandatory has probably made tracing harder. I still scanned every time that I went into any business - if available.

Some twat lawyer on The Rock radio station last night was saying he doesn't use it, and doesn't recommend that anyone else should either - "it's a government surveillance tool" - to which the presenters agreed with him.

Disregarding the stupidity for a second, the very type of person generally listening to that station is most likely going to be the type to pick up on that misinformation and go with it.

Sigh.

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#2543890 18-Aug-2020 18:48

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#2543901 18-Aug-2020 19:07

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apparently we could have a level 1.5 https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122474741/coronavirus-alert-level-15-masks-social-distancing-among-considerations-bloomfield-suggests

People got very complacent with level 1 IMO. Shops stopped having hand-sanitiser freely available - despite it being easy to buy, hardly anybody was using the Covid app, hand-shaking, hugging was pretty well back to normal levels.

I wonder if they have enough detail on contact between people in the present cluster to come to any useful conclusions - when they had contact, then what was it? Handshake, a hug, sharing a slice of pizza - or just being in the same room for a while?

How is compliance in AKL Level 3? News says its bad, then it says its good. (not blaming AKLders) but back in L4, the general theme was quite good. Is now just as good or are people tired of it? The Govt and MoH cant solve this, only we can. If it drags on up there they will probably feel less inclined, maybe. But its the only option that works. The virus cant go anywhere if the person stays isolated. I think it was you that inferred that being forced to MIQ would put people off? It would put me off. I would shut up, get no test and stay home, as I WFH, no harm no foul. Others who don't WFH and do the right thing, may well feel inclined to "try their best" and thats it. It does show that the Govt does not trust the general public.

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#2543904 18-Aug-2020 19:09

mattwnz:

I heard an expert discussing this fact at the weekend, and it was based around people that are considered to be 'superspreaders'. Apparently their point was that they shed a lot more virus than a normal person, so the high numbers they infect are due to this, rather than the way they act and socialise.

What high numbers?

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#2543905 18-Aug-2020 19:11

tdgeek:

mattwnz:

I heard an expert discussing this fact at the weekend, and it was based around people that are considered to be 'superspreaders'. Apparently their point was that they shed a lot more virus than a normal person, so the high numbers they infect are due to this, rather than the way they act and socialise.

What high numbers?

eg. The superspreader in South Korea. High numbers infected from a single superspreader.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superspreader

Superspreaders have been identified who excrete a higher than normal number of pathogens during the time they are infectious. This causes their contacts to be exposed to higher viral/bacterial loads than would be seen in the contacts of non-superspreaders with the same duration of exposure.[8]

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#2543908 18-Aug-2020 19:13

Ge0rge:Some twat lawyer on The Rock radio station last night was saying he doesn't use it, and doesn't recommend that anyone else should either - "it's a government surveillance tool" - to which the presenters agreed with him.

Disregarding the stupidity for a second, the very type of person generally listening to that station is most likely going to be the type to pick up on that misinformation and go with it.

Sigh.

Its like spam, looks real so many will run with it. Lawyers are generally at the top of the trust curve, so I am sure many took him on board.

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#2543914 18-Aug-2020 19:21

I have been watching what is happening in the US and Florida. They have opened things up a bit, such as their theme parks and resorts, as they try to live with the virus. But their numbers show that it has badly affected both internal visitor numbers, and international travel significantly. International travel is down 90%.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/08/17/just-how-far-did-floridas-tourism-numbers-dip-last-quarter

So if we went down the route of living with it, and potentially years of physical distancing and mask use, in exchange for free travel in and out of NZ without quarantine, which is the opinion of quite a few people, then I can't see our tourism sector being any better off, because people simply don't want to travel during a pandemic, and to Covid areas. Many though don't seem to mind travelling to covid free areas, if they can escape the virus. At least we do still have internal tourism, which was at high levels prior to the new lockdown. That isn't happening to the same extent in Florida due to Covid.

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#2543924 18-Aug-2020 20:04

I'm increasing of the view that there is no right answer. Repeating lockdowns are severly crippling many financially and public disquiet is growing and will increase with each new lockdown.

Yet, opening up has failed with every country/state that goes down that route suffering resurgent cases and the negative economic consequences that follow. And the proponents of each approach are getting increasingly antagonistic with the other.

Last week I was celebrating our freedom and success as a country. This week, the grim realisation our day in the sun was always going to be shortlived. Our cases will grow because the country cannot repeat the first lockdown, it would financially cripple us, and would ultimately fail anyway from increasing non compliance.

This is our new normal, though just what that means, we don't yet know.

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#2543927 18-Aug-2020 20:20

tdgeek:

Its like spam, looks real so many will run with it. Lawyers are generally at the top of the trust curve, so I am sure many took him on board.

https://abovethelaw.com/2014/09/scientific-study-concludes-no-one-trusts-lawyers/

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#2543929 18-Aug-2020 20:25

mattwnz:

I have been watching what is happening in the US and Florida. They have opened things up a bit, such as their theme parks and resorts, as they try to live with the virus. But their numbers show that it has badly affected both internal visitor numbers, and international travel significantly. International travel is down 90%.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/08/17/just-how-far-did-floridas-tourism-numbers-dip-last-quarter

So if we went down the route of living with it, and potentially years of physical distancing and mask use, in exchange for free travel in and out of NZ without quarantine, which is the opinion of quite a few people, then I can't see our tourism sector being any better off, because people simply don't want to travel during a pandemic, and to Covid areas. Many though don't seem to mind travelling to covid free areas, if they can escape the virus. At least we do still have internal tourism, which was at high levels prior to the new lockdown. That isn't happening to the same extent in Florida due to Covid.

100%. Its great for business, but as you say, who wants to go in crowds in a virus environment? Harsh as Level 4,3,2,1 was (and now is) it cant compare to ongoing dramas, where a good day, is probably 40% of normal, for ever seemingly.

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#2543942 18-Aug-2020 20:30

dafman:

I'm increasing of the view that there is no right answer. Repeating lockdowns are severly crippling many financially and public disquiet is growing and will increase with each new lockdown.

Yet, opening up has failed with every country/state that goes down that route suffering resurgent cases and the negative economic consequences that follow. And the proponents of each approach are getting increasingly antagonistic with the other.

Last week I was celebrating our freedom and success as a country. This week, the grim realisation our day in the sun was always going to be shortlived. Our cases will grow because the country cannot repeat the first lockdown, it would financially cripple us, and would ultimately fail anyway from increasing non compliance.

This is our new normal, though just what that means, we don't yet know.

We have repeated once, not even that really. L4,3,2,1 and now L3 in just AKL is not really a repeat. Have faith, we are far moire prepared this time that last time, which was the only last time. The way I look at it, everyone is locked away, the vast testing covers that in the near future. The other way to look at it is that it cant be any better then what we have down under, it can be a LOT worse. There is no alternative that is easier. Yes, new normal, but its not a shocker as is often the case elsewhere. We have the best of a current bad world

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