2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2551523 28-Aug-2020 18:38

A senior Whitehouse official has apparently said that everyone is going to catch Covid19 eventually, as their reasoning for a lack of social distancing. Looks like they are wanting to go down the Herd Immunity route.

On the lack of social distancing or face masks at Trump’s #RNC2020 acceptance speech in the middle of the deadly coronavirus pandemic, a senior White House official tells @Acosta: “Everybody is going to catch this thing eventually.” 🤯 pic.twitter.com/0T5e6r3BSx

— Josh Campbell (@joshscampbell) August 28, 2020

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#2551524 28-Aug-2020 18:39

Here's the PDF of the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill student's newspaper article. See page 3.

UNC has a clusterf*** on its hands

We’re only a week into the semester and four COVID-19 clusters have already surfaced on and
around campus.

Two COVID-19 clusters ... were reported Friday. On Saturday, UNC confirmed reports of a third cluster at [a] fraternity house, and a fourth at [a] Residence Hall, was reported Sunday.

...We all saw this coming. But University leadership should have expected students, many of whom are now living on their own for the first time, to be reckless. Reports of parties throughout the weekend come as no surprise. Though these students are not faultless, it was the University’s responsibility to disincentivize such gatherings by reconsidering its plans to operate in-person earlier on.

The administration continues to prove they have no shame, and the bar for basic decency keeps getting lower.

They chose to ignore the Orange County Health Department, which recommended that the University restrict on-campus housing to at-risk students and implement online-only instruction for the first five weeks of the semester. They chose to ignore the guidance of the CDC, which placed the University’s housing plan in the “highest-risk” category. Even faculty — though many of them continued to teach classes in-person — saw it coming.

Now, as we prepare for a second week of classes, many questions remain unanswered.
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#2551528 28-Aug-2020 18:53

CNN: Fauci says he was in surgery when task force discussed CDC testing guidelines

White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Anthony Fauci said he was undergoing surgery and not in the August 20 task force meeting for the discussion on updated US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines that suggest asymptomatic people may not need to be tested for Covid-19, even if they've been in close contact with an infected person.

"I was under general anesthesia in the operating room and was not part of any discussion or deliberation regarding the new testing recommendations" at that meeting, Fauci told CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

"I am concerned about the interpretation of these recommendations and worried it will give people the incorrect assumption that asymptomatic spread is not of great concern. In fact it is," said Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Fauci's comments undercut claims by Adm. Brett Giroir, the administration's coronavirus testing point person, who told reporters on Wednesday that the new guidelines had the White House coronavirus task force's stamp of approval. Asked whether Fauci signed off on the guidelines, Giroir said, "Yes, all the docs signed off on this before it even got to the task force level."
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#2551558 28-Aug-2020 20:25

Do we even have a chance in this world?

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#2551666 28-Aug-2020 23:43

78% testing positive have no symptoms (July 2020 article)

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53320155

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#2551684 29-Aug-2020 02:59

Batman:

78% testing positive have no symptoms (July 2020 article)

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53320155

...on the day of their test. Doesn't mean they won't get sick later on.

It then says "Some people testing positive without symptoms might go on to develop symptoms, or they may have already had symptoms and cleared them."

So there isn't much new here. Some who test positive in NZ in MIQ, test positive before they get sick, or they don't get sick at all.

"Asymptomatic transmission was warned of by the World Health Organization and the government's scientific advisors, but they weren't able to quantify how great a risk it was. "

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#2551895 29-Aug-2020 12:44

Oh - for goodness sake:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/08/fda-please-dont-drink-hand-sanitizer-even-if-its-sold-in-a-beer-can/

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#2551921 29-Aug-2020 13:52

That's not a number we wanted today.

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#2551923 29-Aug-2020 13:57

Oblivian:

That's not a number we wanted today.

Starting to look like Trump is right unfortunately?

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#2551931 29-Aug-2020 14:42

Welcome to the SARS-Cov2 emotional roller coaster.
Now is the winter of our discontent and all that.
Its tough have to keep morale in the household up, but no point flailing around in panic, life's too short, and could be shorter.
You test you get more cases, until you don't,
cos they all know and have been isolated until they are no longer infectious.
The ICU case in North Shore shows dangers of waiting, do get tested before you get too heavy a viral load with this.

It seems Mt Roskill Evangelical Church attendees are getting with the testing.
Thanks its certainly the thing to do for the good of the community, a small sacrifice for others, with benefit to yourself if you need treatment.
Hopefully they spread the good word on this.

SWMBO not so enthusiastic for Supermarket trip today, so on rations till Monday, better than Dad had in the dessert though.
Actually we have tons, but its the funny thing you always hanker for things that are not in the pantry eh.

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#2552007 29-Aug-2020 17:34

Facebook's Algorithm: A Major Threat to Public Health

Avaaz uncovers health misinformation spreading networks with an estimated 3.8 billion views in the last year - and shows how to quarantine this infodemic

Executive Summary

Facebook is failing to keep people safe and informed during the pandemic.

Global health misinformation spreading networks spanning at least five countries generated an estimated 3.8 billion views on Facebook in the last year.
Health misinformation spreading websites at the heart of the networks peaked at an estimated 460 million views on Facebook in April 2020, just as the global pandemic was escalating around the world.
Content from the top 10 websites spreading health misinformation had almost four times as many estimated views on Facebook as equivalent content from the websites of 10 leading health institutions, such as the World Health Organisation (WHO) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Only 16% of all health misinformation analysed had a warning label from Facebook. Despite their content being fact-checked, the other 84% of articles and posts sampled in this report remain online without warnings.

Report reveals top ‘superspreaders’ of health misinformation on Facebook.

From RealFarmacy, one of the biggest health misinformation spreading websites, to GreenMedInfo, a website that presents health misinformation as science.
On Facebook, public pages act as one of the main engines for sharing content from websites spreading health misinformation, accounting for 43% of the total estimated views.

We identified 42 Facebook pages as key drivers of engagement for these top health misinformation spreading websites. They are followed by more than 28 million people and generated an estimated 800 million views.

There is a two-step solution to quarantine this infodemic that could reduce belief in misinformation by almost 50% and cut its reach by up to 80%.

Step 1: Correct the Record by providing all users who have seen misinformation with independently fact-checked corrections. This could decrease belief in misinformation by an average of almost 50%.
Step 2: Detox the Algorithm by downgrading misinformation posts and systematic misinformation actors in users' News Feeds, decreasing their reach by up to 80%.

Facebook has yet to effectively apply these solutions at the scale and sophistication needed to defeat this infodemic, despite repeated calls from doctors and health experts to do so.

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#2552015 29-Aug-2020 18:03

ezbee:

Welcome to the SARS-Cov2 emotional roller coaster.
Now is the winter of our discontent and all that.
Its tough have to keep morale in the household up, but no point flailing around in panic, life's too short, and could be shorter.
You test you get more cases, until you don't,
cos they all know and have been isolated until they are no longer infectious.
The ICU case in North Shore shows dangers of waiting, do get tested before you get too heavy a viral load with this.

It seems Mt Roskill Evangelical Church attendees are getting with the testing.
Thanks its certainly the thing to do for the good of the community, a small sacrifice for others, with benefit to yourself if you need treatment.
Hopefully they spread the good word on this.

SWMBO not so enthusiastic for Supermarket trip today, so on rations till Monday, better than Dad had in the dessert though.
Actually we have tons, but its the funny thing you always hanker for things that are not in the pantry eh.

The numbers and trend don't look good with 11 in the community reported today. It is proving true that the more they test, the more cases they find. I was hoping that by now, which is well past one incubation cycle in level 3, we would only be getting between 0-3 cases a day consistently , so just a trickle. It seems we are still learning a lot about these clusters, and this micro one, which doesn't look so micro anymore, looks to be a bit of an issue.

It is the people that aren't being tested that could be the problem. They haven't said whether all people at the church services have yet been tested have they?

According to the MOH website today

By this morning our contact tracing team had identified 2,489 close contacts of cases, of which 2,425 have been contacted and are self-isolating, and we are in the process of contacting the rest. For the period 20-26 August, 82% of close contacts were contacted and isolated within 48 hours of a case being notified, meeting the 80% target.

That is a lot of people self isolating. Self isolation is all very well and good, while in level 3, because level 3 means they must stay home, and places are closed and physically distanced. However under level 2, which we move to tomorrow at midnight, who is policing them to remain at home self isolating? From what I understand, some of these people are likely to have the virus. So Level 3 is helping to minimise the spread and slow it down. We know how much of a failure self isolation was prior to moving into level 4 the first time, because some people didn't do it, and there are now people who are against the lockdowns, and some in the media are saying that the team of 5 million are sick and tired of he lockdowns, and that seems to be the narrative. But are they, and is the alternative better?

If we were living in the US, many of us would have essentially been under home isolation for months, and there is no end in sight, due to there being no alternative solution . NZ has an alternative solution by acting early, I just hope we don't muck it up by going out of lockdown too early, and prematurely reopening the border between Auckland and the rest of NZ. What is to actually stop someone who should be in isolation for 14 days, traveling around NZ on Monday? Likewise according to the MOH, some of these close contacts haven't even been contacted yet, so they don't even know they should be in self isolation, and may go on a trip to Queenstown to go skiing.

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#2552017 29-Aug-2020 18:12

Batman:

Oblivian:

That's not a number we wanted today.

Starting to look like Trump is right unfortunately?

Hows that?

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#2552020 29-Aug-2020 18:24

mattwnz:

The numbers and trend don't look good with 11 in the community reported today. It is proving true that the more they test, the more cases they find. I was hoping that well have 1 incubation cycle in level 3, we would only be getting between 0-3 cases a day.

It is the people that aren't being tested that could be the problem. They haven't said whether all people at the church services have yet been tested have they?

According to the MOH website today

By this morning our contact tracing team had identified 2,489 close contacts of cases, of which 2,425 have been contacted and are self-isolating, and we are in the process of contacting the rest. For the period 20-26 August, 82% of close contacts were contacted and isolated within 48 hours of a case being notified, meeting the 80% target.

That is a lot of people self isolating. Self isolation is all very well and good, while in level 3, because level 3 means they must stay home, and places are closed and physically distanced. However under level 2, which we move to tomorrow at midnight, who is policing them to remain at home self isolating? From what I understand, some of these people are likely to have the virus. So Level 3 is helping to minimise the spread and slow it down. We know how much of a failure self isolation was prior to moving into level 4 the first time, because some people didn't do it, and there are now people who are against the lockdowns, and some in the media are saying that the team of 5 million are sick and tired of he lockdowns, and that seems to be the narrative. But are they, and is the alternative better?

If we were living in the US, many of us would have essentially been under home isolation for months, and there is no end in sight, due to there being no alternative solution . NZ has an alternative solution by acting early, I just hope we don't muck it up by going out of lockdown too early, and reopening the border between Auckland and the rest of NZ. What is to actually stop someone who should be in isolation for 14 days, traveling around NZ on Monday? Likewise according to the MOH, some of these close contacts haven't even been contacted yet, so they don't even know they should be in self isolation.

All too negative. Self isolating is no different in L4 as it is in L0. Who is policing them? I guess the people are. No 24/7 armed guards outside the houses. Who can stop them flying to Bluff on Monday? Probably no one. As from Day one when Italians scarpered, to infect everyone else in Italy. I get your point but where does trust end and armed guards per house start? Police can control that streets but how many do we have to spare? Id have no issue with that at all, but this isnt Russia or China.If things went as bad as you suggest its the Team of 5 Millions fault. Or we put the economy to one side for 12 months, and ban everyone no matter who from entering NZ including citizens and residents, but you cant do that either.

IT RELIES ON US. Not a few dozen people in Government.

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#2552023 29-Aug-2020 18:34

New Zealand self isolation is a bit different form Taiwan self isolation for sure.

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Among other tough measures imposed by Taiwan was a mandate that anyone in quarantine or isolation had to share their phone location data with authorities (who would make contact if the phone was switched off for more than 15 minutes) a requirement unlikely to be accepted by the Australian public.
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Did Taiwan's mistrust of China save it from a potential coronavirus disaster ?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-30/taiwans-coronavirus-strategy-healthcare-and-location-data/12296948

From Twitter of Milo Hsieh.
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My phone, which is satellite-tracked by the Taiwan gov to enforce quarantine, ran out of battery at 7:30 AM. By 8:15, four different units called me. By 8:20, the police were knocking at my door.
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