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#2552205 30-Aug-2020 06:11

mattwnz:

Guess we will know what is happening at 1pm when there is going to be an announcement by the PM. This story tonight on One News has me very concerned. https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/members-mt-roskill-church-gathered-prayer-meetings-during-lockdown

I wouldn't have thought we should be getting new cases being detected outside of families with existing Covid infections, when we are well past the 14 day incubation period, since we have been in level 3 lockdown.

yikes in that same article "hundreds protest against lockdown" in AKL https://www.tvnz.co.nz/content/tvnz/onenews/story/2020/08/29/protest

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#2552206 30-Aug-2020 06:25

mattwnz:

Also this link below of of Australia discusses how Covid could affect people with significant long term diseases, including heart disease. She also discusses that the University of Glasgow did some research that showed that someone who dies of COvid 19 , on average lost 10 years of their life, that they would have otherwise expected to have. So it shows how important it is that the virus doesn't get out into the rest of New Zealand community.

Queensland chief health officer warns of long-term impacts of virus

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12360580

Novak Djokovic (world no 1) had covid and he's at the US open tennis tournament - will report on his progress

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#2552208 30-Aug-2020 06:27

Happy Sunday morning everyone. So... my neighbours had a mass party last night under level 3 😂 thing is its a bed and breakfast, new tenants traveled to get there the day before. Can a B&B even be open under level 3?

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#2552209 30-Aug-2020 06:32

arcon: Happy Sunday morning everyone. So... my neighbours had a mass party last night under level 3 😂 thing is its a bed and breakfast, new tenants traveled to get there the day before. Can a B&B even be open under level 3?

i'd say no? someone will know ...

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#2552210 30-Aug-2020 06:34

world updates - summary rise in cases everywhere you look

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/aug/29/coronavirus-live-news-cases-continue-to-soar-in-europe-as-victoria-sees-fewest-in-two-months

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#2552214 30-Aug-2020 06:44

I fear today will go down in history as the day we blew it as a nation unless the PM makes a big call at the briefing today. From the media reports on behaviour in the impacted communities, it just doesn't appear that the virus is contained in Auckland and relaxing the rules will just lead to increased cases. And then we are going to allow travel from the region to the rest of NZ. Sheer folly.

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#2552215 30-Aug-2020 06:52

rugrat:

1. Will be nation wide soon, once the Auckland gates are open for it to spread so that won’t be a reason.
Seems ring fenced at moment.

2. Well then there’s no hope if people won’t comply, it’ll soon be bigger part of country and will only get worse if allowed to spread.

As for comment in another post that MIQ is not the problem 38,000 have returned, yeah and the result 1.8 million in lock down, case numbers not dropping, guess that’s not a failure?

Also stopping people from entering the country does not put the economy to one side. Over 80% of economy is still good. Allowing virus to spread is far worse for the economy.

1. So keeping AKL at Level 3 for another 2 to 4 weeks might help?

2. Its reality everywhere that compliance is fading. Now while there are many of us that haven't wavered, we aren't the problem

MIQ. Did you every expect an outbreak from the border would never happen? Perhaps if we treated them as prisons that would have helped. And that 12 day tests, you can go are 110% accurate?

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#2552218 30-Aug-2020 06:58

Batman:

the News link said they defied lockdown rules. SMH

from other news they were not the only AKLers defying rules - sounds widespread - during any lockdown anywhere in the world, same story.

Yep. While we can discuss perfect compliance as the saviour, the reality is that's not the case so we need to deal with reality. The outbreak seems contained, long tail due to issues of compliance. The key question now is travel. We could have avoided all of this be Level 4 in AKL till its gone, but again you get compliance issues. But given that compliance issues means Level 3 isn't really a true Level 3, its getting the job done, its just slow

For those with higher concerns the only solution is Level 4 in AKL till its gone, but the price of that compared to the benefit is not a good deal.

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#2552221 30-Aug-2020 07:00

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Tinkerisk:

In the meantime I lost faith in mankind an protect myself regardless of any 'recommendations' or 'howtos'. The only thing I strictly claim for is keeping distance - despite there are plenty people even don't care for it.

It's simple: no strict precautions - no customer (I leave without big explainations but let them know why).

tell me - Germans, one of the best rule followers - how many defy lockdown rules?

Not many - it's more the upcoming carelessness. People get tired by the restrictions on some spots. You can have most people sticking to the reasonable precautions given but there are some 250-300 having a drunken unlimited party by night with Police ending it with a bang. We never had hard lockdowns but we expect to get it possibly in autumn/winter (your spring/summer).

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#2552222 30-Aug-2020 07:02

cshwone:

I fear today will go down in history as the day we blew it as a nation unless the PM makes a big call at the briefing today. From the media reports on behaviour in the impacted communities, it just doesn't appear that the virus is contained in Auckland and relaxing the rules will just lead to increased cases. And then we are going to allow travel from the region to the rest of NZ. Sheer folly.

If so, WE blew it, the team of 5 million. Level 3 was set, WE are not following it. There should have been new enforcement though, instant fines IRD grabs next payday, to counter compliance issues. The failings are US the Govt failing is not accounting for compliance.

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#2552223 30-Aug-2020 07:28

The decision to go out of level 3 won’t be changed. This decision is the result of board room lobbying and those with vested interest not social interest. A good example of this is John Key coming out of the woodwork and flooding the press with anti lock down BS motivated by narcissistic self interest. I not sure if he even lives hear now.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2552226 30-Aug-2020 07:35

tdgeek:

cshwone:

I fear today will go down in history as the day we blew it as a nation unless the PM makes a big call at the briefing today. From the media reports on behaviour in the impacted communities, it just doesn't appear that the virus is contained in Auckland and relaxing the rules will just lead to increased cases. And then we are going to allow travel from the region to the rest of NZ. Sheer folly.

If so, WE blew it, the team of 5 million. Level 3 was set, WE are not following it. There should have been new enforcement though, instant fines IRD grabs next payday, to counter compliance issues. The failings are US the Govt failing is not accounting for compliance.

Totally agree. It's depressing...................

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#2552237 30-Aug-2020 08:49

Batman:
arcon: Happy Sunday morning everyone. So... my neighbours had a mass party last night under level 3 😂 thing is its a bed and breakfast, new tenants traveled to get there the day before. Can a B&B even be open under level 3?

i'd say no? someone will know ...

I found out so far its a no unless they're being used to house essential workers or for quarantining.

I've filed a report on the police covid website... wonder how long it will take