GV27:

Yea I'm willing to bet that there's going to be a few families who still send kids to school and keep going to supermarkets or bottleshops after getting test - who just really won't give a damn or actually be isolating properly. And the more contacts of contacts we dig up, the more likely it is someone who is positive just ends up taking the piss and we're back to square one - assuming they don't then go to visit relatives down country or travel during the school holidays. Because why wouldn't you? 

Batman:

GV27:

 

 

 

Yea I'm willing to bet that there's going to be a few families who still send kids to school and keep going to supermarkets or bottleshops after getting test - who just really won't give a damn or actually be isolating properly. And the more contacts of contacts we dig up, the more likely it is someone who is positive just ends up taking the piss and we're back to square one - assuming they don't then go to visit relatives down country or travel during the school holidays. Because why wouldn't you? 

 

That is categorically untrue.

When I called Healthline they said yes I have symptoms of cold, get tested. But over the phone they told me I was low risk, after the test I don't have to isolate after getting tested.

Well that's not the message my SO got when tested for cold/flu-like symptoms.  She was told to isolate at home until she heard back from the test.

Fred99:

 

Batman:

 

... 

When I called Healthline they said yes I have symptoms of cold, get tested. But over the phone they told me I was low risk, after the test I don't have to isolate after getting tested.

 

Well that's not the message my SO got when tested for cold/flu-like symptoms.  She was told to isolate at home until she heard back from the test.

 

Reports on some of the cases state that close contacts much isolate until cleared but casual contacts who decide to get tested do not need to.  Guess we will find out tomorrow whether the pupil involved was considered a close contact.

If only a considered casual contact though, that could raise another can of worms?

We're told to the govt site is the end all details. And it has these laid out. Unfortunately I don't think many people are referring or questioning it when verbally advised otherwise as it simply says follow the practitioners advice (Or sticking to FB advice..)

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/assessment-and-testing-covid-19  

Who needs to self-isolate

 

Our advice to everyone continues to be to stay at home if you are sick. 

 

You should follow your health practitioner’s advice about what to do while waiting for your test results. 

 

They will advise you to self- isolate if you have symptoms and:

 

 

1. are in an area with an Alert Level over 2 and/or 
2. you meet the following Higher index of Suspicion (HIS) criteria:

    

   • been in contact with a confirmed or probable case
   • travelled internationally in the past 14 days
   • had direct contact with a person who has travelled overseas - this could include Customs, Immigration, and Managed Isolation and Quarantine staff
   • worked on an international aircraft or shipping vessel
   • cleaned at an international airport or maritime port in areas visited by international arrivals
   • any other criteria requested by the Medical Officer of Health. 

 

You will also be advised to self-isolate if you meet the HIS criteria and have one or more of the following less typical symptoms: fever, diarrhoea, myalgia, nausea/vomiting, or confusion/irritability, and there is not another likely diagnosis.

 

At Alert Levels 1 and 2, you do not need to self-isolate while awaiting test results unless you meet the above criteria. You should always stay home if you are sick though.

 

Advice on whether household members of close contacts of cases will need to self-isolate will be made on a case by case basis on advice from a medical officer of health. Casual contacts of cases are not currently required to self-isolate.

non Symptomatic don't seem to be included. So likely lumped in the last para

i think people need to stop passing judgement on a forum site. time for bed ...

There's conflicting advice out there.

Recently I had to get tested in order to be able to go to work. It was a requirement placed on my employer by the Auckland District Health Board which has since been rescinded. There was no requirement to have a negative test, just that a test had to have been completed prior to my next return to work.

I don't live in Auckland, I had no symptoms and had had no contact with anyone who was either infected or a close contact with anyone who had been infected but was given a form at the conclusion of the test that right at the top said "We thank you for taking the time to be assessed for Covid 19 We now ask you that you self isolate immediately". I politely refused.

Batman:

 

i think people need to stop passing judgement on a forum site. time for bed ...

 

If that was at me... eh? And I'm assuming since I posted the only reply in the last hour - it is

Who's judging. The last paragraph. 

At Alert Levels 1 and 2, you do not need to self-isolate while awaiting test results unless you meet the above criteria.

 

Advice on whether household members of close contacts of cases will need to self-isolate will be made on a case by case basis on advice from a medical officer of health. Casual contacts of cases are not currently required to self-isolate.

Surprise! your case (if recent) is in that category. There's nothing to judge.

However when I got done, I had to lock myself up simply because it was the current requirement despite x days of 0. Media aren't helping by qualifying current information alongside their 'investigations'. And should be.

Technofreak:

 

There's conflicting advice out there.

 

Recently I had to get tested in order to be able to go to work. It was a requirement placed on my employer by the Auckland District Health Board which has since been rescinded. There was no requirement to have a negative test, just that a test had to have been completed prior to my next return to work.

 

I was similar in April. But voluntary to at least rule it out. Information pack at time of test. And the follow up txt with reinforcement to a local DHB URL (https://www.healthinfo.org.nz/index.htm?self-isolation-after-COVID-19-testing.htm) which even now seems to go into more detail than the govt page 0.o now we are back into 'low risk' mode where it's not necessarily required. But close contacts are still in 'high risk' and do... but all suggests if symptomatic. Else it falls on someones judgement. danger will robinson, danger.

Guess it comes back to the trail of dissemination they had issues with early on.

The person you speak to on the phone, or Nurse at the testing point may not be the person sent the directions. Imagine there are a few steps. NZ Health -> DHB -> Local distribution -> person who gets notice/email -> people we deal with who can override it.

Oblivian:

 

If that was at me... eh? And I'm assuming since I posted the only reply in the last hour - it is

 

Who's judging. The last paragraph. 

 

 

At Alert Levels 1 and 2, you do not need to self-isolate while awaiting test results unless you meet the above criteria.

 

Advice on whether household members of close contacts of cases will need to self-isolate will be made on a case by case basis on advice from a medical officer of health. Casual contacts of cases are not currently required to self-isolate.

 

Surprise! your case (if recent) is in that category. There's nothing to judge.

 

However when I got done, I had to lock myself up simply because it was the current requirement despite x days of 0. Media aren't helping by qualifying current information alongside their 'investigations'. And should be.

 

You left out the rest of the paragraph: "At Alert Levels 1 and 2, you do not need to self-isolate while awaiting test results unless you meet the above criteria. You should always stay home if you are sick though."

We already discussed in this thread the kiwi behaviour of going to work even when showing symptoms of cold, flu or sore throat. This was before. Now it's even more surprising.

tdgeek:

 

DS248:

 

Oh dear, this isn't finished yet 😟

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300109163/coronavirus-south-auckland-primary-school-pupil-tests-positive-for-covid19

 

 

How? 

 

Irregardless of all the advice, to do this and do that, the human psyche is over it. I can't blame Aucklanders as this could have been anywhere here or any other country who have the same issues. Hence the tail will be long, as March Level 4 is not the same as August/September level anything. The option is accept a lingering long tail or go  to Level 4. To counter this there should be enforcement. Education and whatever the three E's were was fine in March, but it needs to be more now, just to counter the laggards.

 

We don't know the details. But if people are sick, they must stay  home and get tested. Everyone who is sick with these cold and flu symptoms must get tested. No ifs or buts, as that was the advice that the Minster of Health gave. Our testing numbers have dropped back a lot , and countries like the UK are now doing substantially more testing than NZ. Unless we test, we won't find the cases, and it is that reduced testing that allowed this virus to get a head start in the community by at least a few weeks, leading to the lockdown. .

Yes we need enforcement and fines, which is what they are doing in Australia. We are now fining people for going just 1 km/hr over the speed limit, yet someone not doing what they should with this virus (such as being a close contact, yet not self isolating when they should be) , and  this results in it spreading, has a major financial costs for everyone, and also the potential to cause more deaths.

But the school cases now appearing  do show  that children and schools are going to be a problem, and children do catch and can spread the virus. IMO mass masking is needed for all in Auckland, unless it is mandatory people won't wear them. Fine anyone who isn't. It has proven to provide significant benefits in reducing the virus spreading. Children have to wear them overseas of those countries that have reopened schools.

We don't know how good we have got it for now, as long as Covid doesn't silently spread, due to people not doing what they should be doing.   In the UK, there current wave has resulted in the rule of 6, which is effectively going to ruin many peoples Christmas.

Some guest's +bad habits+. But it's NOT Trumpland here. What do you think?

ockel:

 

I think the point being made was that a child that was symptomatic was dropped off at school in an infectious state. Instead of being kept at home and referring to their health care professional they went to school.
The school identified that the child was unwell and the caregiver picked up the child within 30 minutes.
Meanwhile 3 other close contacts would have attended the school all day (results at 2pm), other close contacts presymptomactic.

Despite education, despite constant media messaging an unwell child was sent to school. Not a tail but potential for another outbreak.

Thanks, figured as much. Despite all the blame that goes on, the only way we can beat this is if WE beat this, as in the team of 5 million or the team of 1.5 million. You can wear as many masks as you like, get a gazillion tests done, but avoidable instances like this which can conceivably pass it on to many others in that suburb, and local supermarkets and shops, will just keep it going. Agree this instance is not part of a tail

mattwnz:

 

ezbee:

 

Việt Nam goes 12 straight days without community COVID-19 infections
https://vietnamnews.vn/society/772341/viet-nam-goes-12-straight-days-without-community-covid-19-infections.html

 

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The total number of COVID-19 cases in Việt Nam remained at 1,063 on Monday as no new cases were reported, marking 12 straight days without community infection in the country, according to the National Steering Committee for COVID-19 Prevention and Control.
""

 

Good on them, rejoining Taiwan and many Pacific Islands , and well we have 1 day of 0 local cases and counting.
Hopefully we don't get too much more of the tail.

 

 

 

 

It is encouraging. I don't have much knowledge on Vietnam, but do they do a lot of testing, and are these numbers likely to be accurate?

 

There is still so much not known about Vietnam, especially with some scientists still convinced a significant percentage of the population there (and potentially in some other parts of Asia) could have natural immunity to the virus as demonstrated by some t-cell responses they've seen due to prior exposure to previous COV strains.