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#1926150 28-Dec-2017 13:43

numberonekiwi:

$52570 Will get you a new model 2017 LEAF

Although I'm guessing you are responsible for the 15% GST when its landed here

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#1926190 28-Dec-2017 14:48

numberonekiwi:

$52570 Will get you a new model 2017 LEAF

Worth every penny.

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#1926191 28-Dec-2017 14:49

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numberonekiwi:

$52570 Will get you a new model 2017 LEAF

Although I'm guessing you are responsible for the 15% GST when its landed here

Yes....and add the shipping cost to the GST-able total.....though that's only about $1500.

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#1926204 28-Dec-2017 16:02

Call me a pedant but might be less confusing to call it the 2018 Leaf.
Anyway given 2nd hand 2017 Leaf can be had now for about $NZ40k, and the 2018 matches the 2017 for price when new, I wonder if we'll see 2018 Leaf in a year's time also for $NZ40k.

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#1926534 29-Dec-2017 13:08

paulchinnz: Call me a pedant but might be less confusing to call it the 2018 Leaf.
Anyway given 2nd hand 2017 Leaf can be had now for about $NZ40k, and the 2018 matches the 2017 for price when new, I wonder if we'll see 2018 Leaf in a year's time also for $NZ40k.

Maybe..... Though I note TradeMe don't yet support cars with a 2018 model year.

There is a 40kWh LEAF on TradeMe now, via EV Central in Taupo.

It's $64,990.

It's basically a new car. Loads of features.

Range would be 250km at least.....so easily Auckland to Tauranga non-stop with 40kms to spare. More if you go a bit slower.....

Also worth noting that the tighter supply of used LEAFs is seeing used prices now tending to hold or even rise.

It seems everyone wants to buy used....and few want to buy new. That doesn't lead to very many cars being available used.

This is why most countries serious about EVs and climate change provide incentives......or there is a bottleneck in the supply of used cars that can't be opened.

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#1926541 29-Dec-2017 13:26

It seems everyone wants to buy used....and few want to buy new. That doesn't lead to very many cars being available used.

I'm no expert. I'm thinking it's trader uppers doing a wait and see on the incoming model. End of year supply might come back to normal.

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#1926557 29-Dec-2017 14:04

Well spotted @linuxluver re EV Central (I wonder if it has the TFT rear view mirror that's not available on UK trims...).

I suspect it's more about "can afford to buy used" rather than "wants to buy used".

So it's about the same price as Nissan NZ were selling new in 2015, albeit this is high spec trim. One of the local Nissan dealers noted they might bring new Leaf 2018 to NZ if they could offer for around $50k. Until then, for $60k, a new high spec eGolf backed by local VW dealership warranties (including 8y/160000km battery 70%) may be more sensible.

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#1926572 29-Dec-2017 15:00

Linuxluver:

It seems everyone wants to buy used....and few want to buy new.

I want to buy new, not my fault that the wrong numbers get drawn on Lotto. I don't have $65k lying about spare, my 2015 Leaf at $21k was much more affordable and the savings on fuel and servicing make it a good deal economically. I'd have to drive a LOT more kms to save $65k over a few years.

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#1926592 29-Dec-2017 15:49

Linuxluver:It seems everyone wants to buy used....and few want to buy new. That doesn't lead to very many cars being available used.

This is why most countries serious about EVs and climate change provide incentives......or there is a bottleneck in the supply of used cars that can't be opened.

It has always been this way. People who buy brand new always have different priorities to those who buy second hand cars. Common example is manual gearbox being cheaper than automatic new, but manual being worth more second hand. And compare prices of brand new Utes and luxury European cars. With 10 year old Utes and luxury European cars. The Utes hold their value far better, despite them also being way cheaper to buy when new.

In time this problem will self correct when the luxury car and SUV companies bring out full electric models. As currently Tesla pretty much has that space to it's self. But buyers of such cars won't buy an electric car just because it is cheaper to run or better for the environment. They want better luxury, performance, and status. Compare to someone who wants a secondhand Leaf. Their priorities are the complete opposite.

What would help would be a change to the IRD depreciation rules. To allow the purchase of electric cars to be fully written off for tax purposes in the year of purchase. Makes practically no difference in the total amount of tax collected, but would give big cash flow benefits to companies that purchase electric cars. And also give compliance cost savings as well.

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#1927029 30-Dec-2017 15:41

paulchinnz:

.... One of the local Nissan dealers noted they might bring new Leaf 2018 to NZ if they could offer for around $50k. Until then, for $60k, a new high spec eGolf backed by local VW dealership warranties (including 8y/160000km battery 70%) may be more sensible.

That is Interesting. Tried to find reference to that 70% warranty - not on the surface on those sites:

https://www.volkswagen.co.nz/new-cars/electric/

https://www.giltrapvolkswagen.co.nz/new-models/egolf/

160000kms is over average mileage even in 10 years in non-commercial usage in NZ. Taxis are doing around 150000kms in 3 years in Auckland, and they change cars in about 5 years, e.g. Co-op Taxi: Prius (recently) -> Camry Hybrid (now) -> whats next???

With extended range of those new EVs (new Nissan, new e-Golf), rising number of fast chargers, local dealership support - we may see EVs could gain popularity with Taxi very soon and NZ target for EVs could be achieved ahead of schedule.

I saw Taxi Leaf in Auckland CBD yesterday.

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#1927049 30-Dec-2017 16:40

I asked Miles Continental about the egolf battery warranty, and was told 70%.

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#1929476 4-Jan-2018 21:33

Has anybody investigated about getting monsoon covers for the windows?
I've found this from airplex.co.nz so far, but don't know about installation costs, difficulties and if wider options are available.

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#1931008 5-Jan-2018 19:45

IcI:
Has anybody investigated about getting monsoon covers for the windows?
I've found this from airplex.co.nz so far, but don't know about installation costs, difficulties and if wider options are available.

I asked Manukau Nissan and they said they could source and fit them on a LEAF. I didn't get a price.

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#1931707 7-Jan-2018 13:13

Just posting my experience for those considering a ride with a 30Kw Leaf to the real Far North. Tried my luck traveling from the Kawakawa fast charger to Pukenui (Somewhere between Kaitaia and Cape Reinga) on a fast charge (max,96%). Really pushing the Leaf's range. Long story short I made it, but just.

Have been driving through the Mangamuka Gorge (SH1) to Kaitaia as I had been advised the SH10 route would be using more battery. I arrived at a 0%(!) charge left in Pukenui having driven 80km/h most of the way where 100km/h was allowed and a lot slower going uphill. Had to be considerate and stopped a few times to let others passing by. It is the first time I had some range anxiety, even though it didn't make it to 'turtle mode', but I suspect I was closer than anyone would like to be.

In preparing the ride it appeared that charging underway at one of the camping sites appeared to be impossible at this time of the year. Had called a number of camping sites, but they all said to come back in a few weeks as business was crazy at the moment and there won't be a plug available for charging.

For the ride back, being close to Pukenui visiting family I was able to charge at their place to 100% overnight on 10Amp leaving a more convenient ride back with no real range anxiety the next day. That was because of the difference between charging to 96% on the fast charger and 100% overnight on the slow charger.

Hope charge.net can get the charger in Kaitaia up and running soon or maybe someone in the area can have a 16Amp plug installed for public EV use during the busy summer holidays. Would make traveling up north with 30KW Leaf a lot more convenient.

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#1931748 7-Jan-2018 15:05

Cybnate:

Just posting my experience for those considering a ride with a 30Kw Leaf to the real Far North.

Just imagine how much easier this all gets once there are a bunch of different 60kWh cars people can choose from!

In 2019 there will be a 60kWh Leaf, clearly, there will be other 60kWh cars also using the same LG batteries - VW eGolf, Hyundai Ioniq, etc. These 60kWh models will be a bit pricey though.

In 2020 the 60kWh cars will be getting more commonplace and there will be less of a premium price. There will also be Japanese import 2nd hand 60kWh cars coming on the market.

Over the next five years, this will all keep on getting better. There is no way I'll bother trading in my 24kWh Leaf for anything less than 60kWh, not worth the cost unless there is a nice big juicy gain. Five years from now 60kWh will not cost much, 2nd hand 60kWh cars will be down around $20k by then. For now, I'm enjoying my super cheap and very reliable commuter but my next car will be good for any travel I want to use it for - both 60kWh battery and also there will be more charging points by then.

Sure, today the EV experience mixes in some inconvenience and anxiety along with the great benefits, but we all have to know that things are going to get better in the very near future. Until my future better car, I'm still saving thousands per year. I even found a way to save even more - I asked the boss how much his V8 Commodore costs for fuel, turns out my 350km weekly commute would cost ~$95 in petrol. So I just have to imagine buying a car like my boss's and in comparison, I'm saving more than what I paid for my Leaf in just 5 years!

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