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#3408505 29-Aug-2025 13:09

As I’ve commented elsewhere, I might trust it on NZ motorways but not suburban roads. I know my M3 is only HW3 but it;

misses speed signs,

misidentifies rubbish bins on the curb as pedestrians,

phantom brakes for overpasses,

activates “curvature assistance” on straight road, and

while waiting for a green turn arrow, it chimes for a straight ahead green. I assume in FSD it would move.

So would I pay $30-40k to ~~upgrade~~ change to a HW4 M3/Y and then an extra $11.5k for FSD? Certainly with no guarantee that FSD will be usable in NZ, I wouldn’t be seduced into spending that much on a “maybe”.

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#3408506 29-Aug-2025 13:17

I just look at the cost of full self driving vs how many ubers I can get which require me to do no driving at all and its always the uber that wins.

Can get shitfaced drunk and catch an uber.

Can scroll the socials in an uber.

Dont have to worry about where to park the uber while I am at the place it drove me to.

Useful for self driving in a robo taxi fleet. Not useful to me as a $11500 upgrade to a car that I own and have to store when not in use.

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#3408528 29-Aug-2025 13:54

Smart summon would be a great party trick. Definitely worth the $11.5k! 🤣

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#3408537 29-Aug-2025 14:32

I am also on HW3, so not going to be getting FSD anytime soon.

But to those that compare FSD to Autosteer: They are two different things all together. Not the same software.

Based on what I have seen FSD do in the US following AI DRIVR on YouTube, I would say it should do well on NZ roads as well, with the caveat that I don't know how well it has been trained on driving on the left side of the road.

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#3408538 29-Aug-2025 14:44

Interesting point. Does it just flip all the accumulated knowledge around a vertical axis and miss anything? Does it deal in local road rules?

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#3408651 29-Aug-2025 18:05

I can see some use cases for FSD - getting home after a late night out, taking a break during a long trip etc.

But for most trips, I’d much rather be driving myself - I enjoy it - than sitting doing nothing. So, if FSD is bundled for free, sure, I’m in - but I wouldn’t be paying a hefty premium.

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#3408654 29-Aug-2025 18:12

The idea of the car driving you home after a night out - is there a law change in the pipeline? Even just sitting in the driver's seat of a parked car on the side of the road can see you charged with drunk driving if you are intoxicated. Unless you're sitting in the passenger side, how does the officer know if the car or you were driving?

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#3408660 29-Aug-2025 18:30

I am 100% certain you cannot legally be drunk in charge of a fsd vehicle.

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#3408663 29-Aug-2025 18:45

Sorry @johno1234, I've read and re-read that several times, and I can't make out whether you mean it's illegal to be drunk behind the wheel of an FSD car, or if it's not 🤔

The Land Transport Act says:

A person may not drive or attempt to drive a motor vehicle while under the influence of drink or a drug, or both, to such an extent as to be incapable of having proper control of the vehicle.

I'd argue that's pretty clear - if you are in the driver's seat, intoxicated, it doesn't matter if you are driving, trying to drive, or the car is driving, it's illegal.

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#3408665 29-Aug-2025 18:59

Tesla FSD is a level 2 supervised driver assistance mode. The driver is still in charge. Driving it drunk is illegal just like a regular car.

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#3408682 29-Aug-2025 21:00

Dingbatt:

As I’ve commented elsewhere, I might trust it on NZ motorways but not suburban roads. I know my M3 is only HW3 but it;

misses speed signs,

misidentifies rubbish bins on the curb as pedestrians,

phantom brakes for overpasses,

activates “curvature assistance” on straight road, and

while waiting for a green turn arrow, it chimes for a straight ahead green. I assume in FSD it would move.

So would I pay $30-40k to ~~upgrade~~ change to a HW4 M3/Y and then an extra $11.5k for FSD? Certainly with no guarantee that FSD will be usable in NZ, I wouldn’t be seduced into spending that much on a “maybe”.

Yeah, you can't judge what FSD will be like based on how Autopilot works - they're two different software platforms. Autopilot hasn't really had any fundamental changes since 2017/2018. You also can't fully assume what the AP computer "sees" based on what you see in the visualisations on the screen - that's just the limited visual models available for it to use.

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#3408712 30-Aug-2025 07:57

Apparently FSD is stunningly good apart from that little red light thing…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/360806684/impressive-and-terrifying-we-test-tesla-full-self-driving-australia

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#3408729 30-Aug-2025 09:50

Ge0rge:

The idea of the car driving you home after a night out - is there a law change in the pipeline? Even just sitting in the driver's seat of a parked car on the side of the road can see you charged with drunk driving if you are intoxicated. Unless you're sitting in the passenger side, how does the officer know if the car or you were driving?

Ah, I was thinking ahead to a future world where FSD is fully autonomous not requiring driver supervision (and the law updated to reflect this).

Which brings me to supervised FSD - what is the point or the attraction? If you have to be actively monitoring the car, why not just drive it? And surely driving yourself is less mentally taxing as you are not waiting to second guess the ‘machine’ making a mistake, then rushing to correct before disaster. And on top, you have to pay up thousands for the privilege.

What am I missing?

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#3408734 30-Aug-2025 10:35

To me it would be like an aircraft or boat’s autopilot. Useful to allow you a quick hands off break to pick your nose, have a drink etc but you have to stay on watch constantly. It’s a massive fatigue saver even so. However a lot of marine accidents happen on autopilot because crew stop paying attention or are unable to retake control quickly. HMNZS Manawanui and Aratere recently.

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#3421000 3-Oct-2025 15:01

Tesla has announced a long range rear wheel drive offering for NZ & Aus today. WLTP range is 750km, so that's roughly 650km real-world range at a guess. This has replaced the LR-AWD which has been available up until now. Maybe it might make a comeback? Who knows.

The indicator stalks are also making a comeback though (for obvious reasons), and a front bumper camera now makes an appearance on the images, hinting that (finally) it might actuallly be fitted.

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