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#1592235 13-Jul-2016 20:24

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The drive to Ararimu and back (83km) cost me about $2.86 worth (13KW at $0.22/Kw) of electricity at home. The LEAF is really, *REALLY* cheap to run.

I really hope that's not the rate you are paying to recharge your car. Look at Flick or at least the day / night plans and charge overnight. Down here in Wellington, the local line company will even increase the night hours for owners of electric cars so that you are paying a cheaper rate for longer.

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#1592426 14-Jul-2016 11:39

dwl: The example above of a longer trip shows it can be done but it isn't the sweet spot for current cars like the Leaf - they are really good for commuting within their range per day.

This I concede. I wouldn't mind a leaf for commuting, and 100km would cover it with a bit to spare, although if I wanted to detour anywhere or go elsewhere that day, it would be getting tight.

For longer trips though Hybrid (or just an economical petrol/diesel) is still the best bet.

An EV with 300km range, that I can really see working. Not a lot of trips/days where someone is driving more than that, you could even go 2-3 days without a charge if you have to.

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#1592507 14-Jul-2016 13:58

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This I concede. I wouldn't mind a leaf for commuting, and 100km would cover it with a bit to spare, although if I wanted to detour anywhere or go elsewhere that day, it would be getting tight.

For longer trips though Hybrid (or just an economical petrol/diesel) is still the best bet.

An EV with 300km range, that I can really see working. Not a lot of trips/days where someone is driving more than that, you could even go 2-3 days without a charge if you have to.

If you're in Auckland, there are now enough rapid chargers around that you can get back to 80% of battery (so... About 110-120km) in about 20 minutes from about 20%.

So any detours may require a stop for coffee or lunch or whatever. Then you're off again.

I've done 350km in a day of driving around Auckland and near-Auckland. It wasn't difficult or inconvenient.

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#1592511 14-Jul-2016 14:04

I tend not to stop places for coffee or lunch when driving, that is the whole point of drive thrus isn't it?

If they sort out the having to pay so much to own multiple cars thing then I would probably pick up a leaf/whatever else similar comes along for the daily driver around town, but having that and the petrol car with a towbar and rego and insurance on the both of them doesnt stack up for the $$. Really wish they would clean that side of car ownership up.

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#1592627 14-Jul-2016 15:41

richms:

I tend not to stop places for coffee or lunch when driving, that is the whole point of drive thrus isn't it?

If they sort out the having to pay so much to own multiple cars thing then I would probably pick up a leaf/whatever else similar comes along for the daily driver around town, but having that and the petrol car with a towbar and rego and insurance on the both of them doesnt stack up for the $$. Really wish they would clean that side of car ownership up.

Again...this is a thing you would do now to lower your emissions....and slow down climate change by just that wee, tiny bit. Together, they all add up. Just as failing to do anything also adds up...and that side of the ledger is adding up MUCH faster

As in other comments, the awareness of this reason for going EV now is abysmally low. Yes, it may be a bit different and a few more dollars......but you can virtually eliminate your share of car-produced CO2 emissions immediately.

For me, the LEAF is much better to drive than a petrol car I'm more than happy to stop maybe once every 3 days for 15 mins (and two or three times on huge day) to keep it all rolling.

It's one of those things you don't know until you know it.....and then you wonder why you didn't know it sooner. I've seen comment after comment like that from new LEAF owners.

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#1592630 14-Jul-2016 15:43

Linuxluver:

ubergeeknz:

This I concede. I wouldn't mind a leaf for commuting, and 100km would cover it with a bit to spare, although if I wanted to detour anywhere or go elsewhere that day, it would be getting tight.

For longer trips though Hybrid (or just an economical petrol/diesel) is still the best bet.

An EV with 300km range, that I can really see working. Not a lot of trips/days where someone is driving more than that, you could even go 2-3 days without a charge if you have to.

If you're in Auckland, there are now enough rapid chargers around that you can get back to 80% of battery (so... About 110-120km) in about 20 minutes from about 20%.

So any detours may require a stop for coffee or lunch or whatever. Then you're off again.

I've done 350km in a day of driving around Auckland and near-Auckland. It wasn't difficult or inconvenient.

But remember some people are different than you. For example if I had to take a detour I'd probably already be late. I don't want to stop for a coffee and wait for my car to charge - I want to get there.

I also don't fall into the category of people that are happy to stop for 20 minutes every hour and rest. That would drive me bonkers.

[Disclaimer - I want an EV, but I want a model S. several hundred K of range and crazy performance... I'd have a small EV like a leaf or model 3 for commuting, but if I had to charge during the day - for whatever reason - it would get sold and I'd buy something with a tank for exploding liquid dinosaurs]

Cheers - N

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#1592631 14-Jul-2016 15:45

Talkiet:

But remember some people are different than you. For example if I had to take a detour I'd probably already be late. I don't want to stop for a coffee and wait for my car to charge - I want to get there.

I also don't fall into the category of people that are happy to stop for 20 minutes every hour and rest. That would drive me bonkers.

[Disclaimer - I want an EV, but I want a model S. several hundred K of range and crazy performance... I'd have a small EV like a leaf or model 3 for commuting, but if I had to charge during the day - for whatever reason - it would get sold and I'd buy something with a tank for exploding liquid dinosaurs]

Cheers - N

Understood. I just put up a model and you or anyone else can decide if it fits (or they want to make it fit).

My brother drives like that...In his case, he goes flat out, and can get aggro if anyone needs to pee ("You're wasting time! Can't you hold it?").....I don't travel with him. Too stressful and I don't enjoy it.

You'll be happy in a year or two, either way. :-)

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#1594481 18-Jul-2016 13:44

For those interested in what's inside that Nissan Leaf on-board 3.6 KVA Charger - see my last night video. I was not bothered with vocal comments apart from mentioning the cooling plate. Everything else is self-explanatory for Electronic Engineers familiar with that typical Insulated SMPS topology. My chargers have similar SMPS design and also use Panasonic parts - so nothing extraordinary or unexpected for me.

Unfortunately that Charger is fully integrated into EV-CAN bus and can't be used stand alone out of the box. Enjoy:

https://youtu.be/Cm4_RJFDXA8

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#1594497 18-Jul-2016 14:13

Just purchased a G1 leaf with 17k on the clock, Close to losing it's 1st bar but it's G spec with parking sensors so I'd call that a win. 6 month mechanical warranty incl battery (will replace with 11 bar battery if it drops to 8 bars, almost never gonna happen) and 12 months of rego for $17k

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#1595935 20-Jul-2016 23:43

Beccara:

Just purchased a G1 leaf with 17k on the clock, Close to losing it's 1st bar but it's G spec with parking sensors so I'd call that a win. 6 month mechanical warranty incl battery (will replace with 11 bar battery if it drops to 8 bars, almost never gonna happen) and 12 months of rego for $17k

Sounds like a great buy. :-)

Question: How do you know you're about to lose your first bar?

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#1595936 20-Jul-2016 23:52

I bought my 2015 Gen2 Model S LEAF to see if it would work for me / us.

It works. My wife loves it. Too well. We don't drive our petrol car anymore unless a absolutely have to (need to go different places at the same time). We won't be buying another petrol car. That's over.

But we have decided to buy a 2016 "Tekna" LEAF from the UK. It's got 3000km on it. A 6.6kw charger (so twice as fast at 30amps as the 2015 Model S at 3.3 kw at 15amps...even on a 30amp charger) and it has a 30kw battery pack for about 15% more range.....so about 210km, says Nissan. *Almost* enough to get from our house in Greenlane to Tauranga. We may have to charge up somewhere on the way for 15-30 minutes just to lock it in. :-) (We'd normally stop in Paeroa or Waihi anyway).

This car easily do Auckland to Whangarei without recharging until you get to Whangarei.

So...progress already. By 2018-2020 new EVs will be doing 400km on a full charge....Bring it on.

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#1595955 21-Jul-2016 07:25

Linuxluver:
I bought my 2015 Gen2 Model S LEAF to see if it would work for me / us.

It works. My wife loves it. Too well. We don't drive our petrol car anymore unless a absolutely have to (need to go different places at the same time). We won't be buying another petrol car. That's over.

But we have decided to buy a 2016 "Tekna" LEAF from the UK. It's got 3000km on it. A 6.6kw charger (so twice as fast at 30amps as the 2015 Model S at 3.3 kw at 15amps...even on a 30amp charger) and it has a 30kw battery pack for about 15% more range.....so about 210km, says Nissan. *Almost* enough to get from our house in Greenlane to Tauranga. We may have to charge up somewhere on the way for 15-30 minutes just to lock it in. :-) (We'd normally stop in Paeroa or Waihi anyway).

This car easily do Auckland to Whangarei without recharging until you get to Whangarei.

So...progress already. By 2018-2020 new EVs will be doing 400km on a full charge....Bring it on.

If you don't mind me asking how much are you looking at to get it landed here? Are you importing yourself?

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#1595985 21-Jul-2016 08:30

Linuxluver:

Beccara:

Just purchased a G1 leaf with 17k on the clock, Close to losing it's 1st bar but it's G spec with parking sensors so I'd call that a win. 6 month mechanical warranty incl battery (will replace with 11 bar battery if it drops to 8 bars, almost never gonna happen) and 12 months of rego for $17k

Sounds like a great buy. :-)

Question: How do you know you're about to lose your first bar?

Leafspy health is around 86%, at 85% the 1st bar will drop. 1st bar is 15% capacity then each bar onwards is 6.something %

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#1597511 23-Jul-2016 22:45

Beccara:

Leafspy health is around 86%, at 85% the 1st bar will drop. 1st bar is 15% capacity then each bar onwards is 6.something %

Thanks. I have LeafSpy and a dongle. Which stat is the relevant one? Which screen is the "86%" health on?

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#1597520 23-Jul-2016 23:35

Linuxluver:
Beccara:

Leafspy health is around 86%, at 85% the 1st bar will drop. 1st bar is 15% capacity then each bar onwards is 6.something %

Thanks. I have LeafSpy and a dongle. Which stat is the relevant one? Which screen is the "86%" health on?

On the histogram screen, the AHr and SOH at the top are the battery capacity (don't vary with charge level). A 24 kWh Leaf with a new battery shows just over 66 AHr and 100% SOH. The extra measure of Hx is sometimes called health and seems to be related to the battery internal resistance, also around 100% when new.

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