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#2758119 10-Aug-2021 18:27

Technofreak:

Saying a 2021 ICE is much the same as a 2015 ICE is no different to saying a 2021 Tesla is much the same as a 2015 Tesla.

The big difference is battery capacity / range remaining. Whereas an ICE will essentially have the same range as when new.

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#2758135 10-Aug-2021 18:37

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Obraik:

I tend to think most people buy used because there doesn't seem to be much value in buying a new ICE vehicle. A 2021 ICE vehicle is much the same as a 2015 ICE vehicle, maybe minus a few entertainment incabin options. A Tesla or other EV on the otherhand is rather different, using a completely different kind of drivetrain and in the case of Tesla, a rather different approach to doing cars. Kinda like how people moved from buying cheap "candybar" phones to the iPhone when it first came out.

Actually I think there is plenty of value in buying a new ICE for a lot of people. I bought new two years ago because there was no way I could afford the performance, range, size, style and equipment level that I was able to get in a ICE if I was to buy an EV. The same still applies today. Will I buy a new EV in the future? Most probably, as my needs change and the EV market also changes so will my value of having an EV over an ICE change, but right now I still see value in an ICE for my needs.

Saying a 2021 ICE is much the same as a 2015 ICE is no different to saying a 2021 Tesla is much the same as a 2015 Tesla.

When it comes to features other than, styling, vehicle type (Sedan, wagon, SUV), passenger and luggage space, seat comfort, driving experience etc, I'd suggest it's the in cabin options and stuff like autonomous emergency braking, cross traffic alert, lane departure warning etc that most people appreciate. These things are there whether or not it's an EV. Other than the climate benefits of an EV and the lower fuelling costs most people wouldn't care what drive train was under the hood so long as it gave the performance they wanted.

Your comparison of the Tesla with the iPhone is apt. They're both over hyped examples in each of their fields.

Ok but I was talking about people buying a Model 3 in NZ, not everyone. Clearly there are going to be some that don't buy an EV and still buy an ICE, such as yourself.

A 2015 Tesla Model 3 doesn't exist. There is the older Model S but even the cheapest used ones are not far off the price of a brand new Model 3. It's pretty hard to get the performance that a Model 3 has for the price it's offered at in an ICE variant.

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#2758265 10-Aug-2021 23:53

I noticed with auctions for older cars, they don't tend to put battery condition and current range on them. I would have thought that was very important so you can compare. Guessing TM will eventually have that as a 'field' to fill in on the car listing.

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#2758266 11-Aug-2021 00:08

Because it's only really an issue with the Nissan Leaf at the moment 😉

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#2758362 11-Aug-2021 09:21

Two reasons, its very hard to get accurate information on state of health without advanced diagnostics on most cars. The displayed range isnt good enough.

Second, tesla batteries dont really degrade much over time, check page 22 of the impact report.

https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2020-tesla-impact-report.pdf

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#2758464 11-Aug-2021 10:24

Obraik: It's pretty hard to get the performance that a Model 3 has for the price it's offered at in an ICE variant.

You mean the 0-60 time that people seem to be obsessed with? I would suggest that unless you are a drag racer or a poser, the off the line acceleration of a vehicle has very little to do with day to day driving and would get old very quickly.

Personally I like how smooth and quiet a drive in an EV is.

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#2758468 11-Aug-2021 10:30

eh I use the acceleration all the time. getting out at junctions etc. Its just so reliable and fun.

and traffic light launches may well get old but so far it hasnt, only been ~2 years tho.

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#2758471 11-Aug-2021 10:37

Dingbatt:

You mean the 0-60 time that people seem to be obsessed with? I would suggest that unless you are a drag racer or a poser, the off the line acceleration of a vehicle has very little to do with day to day driving and would get old very quickly.

Personally I like how smooth and quiet a drive in an EV is.

The 0-100 time is a byproduct. The instant zippiness of pressing the accelerator is appreciated in all scenarios, not just dragging off at the stop light. Not having to hear an underpowered engine make more noise than progress is much appreciated.

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#2758474 11-Aug-2021 10:44

RobDickinson:

eh I use the acceleration all the time. getting out at junctions etc. Its just so reliable and fun.

and traffic light launches may well get old but so far it hasnt, only been ~2 years tho.

Just think of all that tyre and driveline wear (CV joints etc) you're accumulating.

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#2758476 11-Aug-2021 10:49

Obraik:

Dingbatt:

You mean the 0-60 time that people seem to be obsessed with? I would suggest that unless you are a drag racer or a poser, the off the line acceleration of a vehicle has very little to do with day to day driving and would get old very quickly.

Personally I like how smooth and quiet a drive in an EV is.

The 0-100 time is a byproduct. The instant zippiness of pressing the accelerator is appreciated in all scenarios, not just dragging off at the stop light. Not having to hear an underpowered engine make more noise than progress is much appreciated.

That would depend on what you were driving before hand when you talk about an underpowered engine. The zippiness is generally limited by tyre performance. On the cars I've owned it's been traction not power that's limited zippiness.

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#2758479 11-Aug-2021 10:52

Each morning on my daily commute I have three potential traffic light launches; and when it happens I laugh like a crazy madman with just how much fun it is.

A few weeks ago I managed to win the traffic light launch against someone who was revving the engine and bunny hopping while waiting for the light to change.

It really made me want to see what my actual 0-100km time is (I know what they state for the Model 3 SR+)

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#2758482 11-Aug-2021 11:02

All I want to know is whether you can drift the SR+.

Your rwd launch time will depend on tyres, road condition (eg oily wet after rain) ...

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#2758483 11-Aug-2021 11:03

nzkiwiman:
Each morning on my daily commute I have three potential traffic light launches; and when it happens I laugh like a crazy madman with just how much fun it is.

A few weeks ago I managed to win the traffic light launch against someone who was revving the engine and bunny hopping while waiting for the light to change.

It really made me want to see what my actual 0-100km time is (I know what they state for the Model 3 SR+)

I was launching the mg and the leaf, and my 3200w 2wd (awd) scooter.

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#2758523 11-Aug-2021 11:42

Just got an email to say our M3 is due late August early September. Ordered mid July, so about 6 to 7 weeks. Quicker than I was expecting.

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#2758525 11-Aug-2021 11:46

To be fair even a lot of sales in NZ is just a few days production in Shanghai.

The biggest bottleneck will be PDI/Delivery, tesla is renting a warehouse in Auckland to do 100 at a time from next month afik

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