Nissan LEAF - General

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#1492571 15-Feb-2016 12:43

My local dealer said they didnt sell them because they didnt want to pay for the support equipment to service them.

But he said they had just installed $80k worth of stuff to service the new electric BMW in case I would like to look at one.

I've been pondering about getting a leaf over the last month or two and I was surprised how many people said they were interested in them too when we chatted about it "around the water cooler"

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#1492638 15-Feb-2016 14:13

$40k? For a tiny little car. Wow.

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#1492640 15-Feb-2016 14:15

MikeAqua:

$40k? For a tiny little car. Wow.

That has next to no running cost? It wouldn't be unreasonable to spend $30K on a small car new, and 10 years of running costs could easily be 10K

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#1492643 15-Feb-2016 14:17

afe66:

My local dealer said they didnt sell them because they didnt want to pay for the support equipment to service them.

But he said they had just installed $80k worth of stuff to service the new electric BMW in case I would like to look at one.

I've been pondering about getting a leaf over the last month or two and I was surprised how many people said they were interested in them too when we chatted about it "around the water cooler"

A.

So would you want to take the risk on an import Leaf knowing now that the dealers aren't investing in the gear to service them?

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#1492699 15-Feb-2016 15:30

The Nissans are still being quasi-advertised by the media - this just today: http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/76827606/onstreet-parking-riskier-proposition-if-electric-vehicles-takeoff

Of course it could be that Stuff wrote the article 6 months ago.....

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#1492785 15-Feb-2016 18:48

$30k isn't exactly bottom end for a compact car. I could get a new Yaris for $23k, with comparable trim level.

That $17k extra on he leaf is still subject to the cost of money - either you have to borrow it or you could have invested it

For less than the cost of leaf, we got a new 2.5L Mazda hatch (mid spec trim), with three years free servicing.

Shows that although interesting electric vehicles aren't economically feasible yet.

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MikeAqua:

$40k? For a tiny little car. Wow.

That has next to no running cost? It wouldn't be unreasonable to spend $30K on a small car new, and 10 years of running costs could easily be 10K

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#1492796 15-Feb-2016 19:29

MikeAqua:

$30k isn't exactly bottom end for a compact car. I could get a new Yaris for $23k, with comparable trim level.

That $17k extra on he leaf is still subject to the cost of money - either you have to borrow it or you could have invested it

For less than the cost of leaf, we got a new 2.5L Mazda hatch (mid spec trim), with three years free servicing.

Shows that although interesting electric vehicles aren't economically feasible yet.

Especially if you mainly do open road mileage. Honestly, I'd rather just walk or take the bus around town and burn fossil fuel when it's time for a holiday.

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#1492800 15-Feb-2016 19:52

BlueShift:

afe66:

My local dealer said they didnt sell them because they didnt want to pay for the support equipment to service them.

But he said they had just installed $80k worth of stuff to service the new electric BMW in case I would like to look at one.

I've been pondering about getting a leaf over the last month or two and I was surprised how many people said they were interested in them too when we chatted about it "around the water cooler"

A.

So would you want to take the risk on an import Leaf knowing now that the dealers aren't investing in the gear to service them?

Possibly.

I have one or two toys which I don't need but bring a smile to my face when I use them.

As I don't live in Auckland my disposable income is greater than my friends.

Next time I'm in Auckland, I might see about a test drive from one of the large resellers.

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#1492801 15-Feb-2016 19:56

afe66:
BlueShift:

afe66:

My local dealer said they didnt sell them because they didnt want to pay for the support equipment to service them.

But he said they had just installed $80k worth of stuff to service the new electric BMW in case I would like to look at one.

I've been pondering about getting a leaf over the last month or two and I was surprised how many people said they were interested in them too when we chatted about it "around the water cooler"

A.

So would you want to take the risk on an import Leaf knowing now that the dealers aren't investing in the gear to service them?

Possibly.

I have one or two toys which I don't need but bring a smile to my face when I use them.

As I don't live in Auckland my disposable income is greater than my friends.

Next time I'm in Auckland, I might see about a test drive from one of the large resellers.

A.

Ah ... A life sized "remote control" car?

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#1492814 15-Feb-2016 20:04

BlueShift:

afe66:

My local dealer said they didnt sell them because they didnt want to pay for the support equipment to service them.

But he said they had just installed $80k worth of stuff to service the new electric BMW in case I would like to look at one.

I've been pondering about getting a leaf over the last month or two and I was surprised how many people said they were interested in them too when we chatted about it "around the water cooler"

A.

So would you want to take the risk on an import Leaf knowing now that the dealers aren't investing in the gear to service them?

Nissan did sell a few here. So if they can service those, they can service others....even if they charge extra (but why would they punish you for being so keen on their cars?)

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#1492930 16-Feb-2016 00:00

Nissan Leaf is gone from the Nissan website, although some dealers still have demo stock for sale.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/auction-1004531501.htm

Be aware that even though that car is listed as a 2015 car (i.e. it was first registered last year), it is a first generation leaf that was first built way back in 2011.

The leaf sold really poorly in Australia, so my understanding it that a lot of AU spec cars were sent here (they have a spare tire unlike the NZ/Japan/UK leafs due to some Australian Law). Possibly this is why we have had old stock being sold here for so long.

Must have been had for the dealers to sell old technology cars, when very lightly used Gen 2 Leafs were showing up on trade-me for the same price as they were asking, and leafs from the manufacturing date (2011) were selling used for around $20k, or half Nissan NZ"s asking price. (Thanks to Japan's Eco-subsidies, and rapid depreciation due to the Gen2 car being available)

The first 30kWh Car has popped up on trademe (2016 model year import from the UK, Previously all leafs had 24kWh batteries)

If I was to buy one I would get an import I think.

With regards to comments made above in regards to the RUC zero rating, this is a policy to encourage uptake, and it will end in 2020 unless extended by the government. Given Simon bridges said he would release a new EV promotion policy prior, I think an extension is likely to be on the cards, along with something like government backed charging infrastructure, EV purchase subsidies, cheap/free rego, changes to build act to require conduit or wiring (32A min single phase or 16A min 3 phase) runs from Switchboard to garage of each new building with car-parking.

With regards to the price comparison with the Toyota Yaris, I don't think this is a fare comparison. The Nissan Leaf is quite big for a hatchback. Its 4445mm long. The current corolla for example is smaller at 4330mm, and the Corolla starts at $29,990+ORC, and tops out at $43,790+ORC

The Leaf is a lot nicer to drive than my 2006 corolla. (although the "A" pillers do somewhat obstruct visibility when turning, and I found the drivers headrest sits too far forward for my taste)

The fuel savings a leaf could be fairly fast for a long distance commuter. (particularly if you had a really long commute like 70km each way, and were able to charge the car at both work and home (the 24kwh leaf wouldn't reliably make the return trip on one charge).

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#1493036 16-Feb-2016 09:24

afe66:

My local dealer said they didnt sell them because they didnt want to pay for the support equipment to service them.

Would be interesting to hear local dealer's opinion about outsourcing some specific tasks - to do with servicing Leaf's electronics; programming AV / Navigation and Telecommunication Unit (which is in charge of what was known before as "Carwings") as well as servicing HV Battery to the alternative service provider - e.g. to my Lab: www.hybrids.co.nz

I have already heavily invested my time and money into development and build of the High Voltage Testing Equipment. I am keen on investing into equipment to specifically service Leaf - e.g. Nissan Consult 3+ Dealership Scanner and some of those specialised gear listed in the Leaf Service Manual to service High Voltage Battery.

I have invested my time into going through thousands of pages of the Leaf Service Manual and imported (from USA) battery controller, instrument cluster and multimedia unit (AV / Radio / GPS / Rear Cam / Carwings), can import TCU (Carwings) and other bits to play with the Leaf Internet connection if there is a local interest. Note: tender for that AV unit (almost new) is welcome.

My business partner in US who specialises on EVs is on standby waiting for me to tell him what else I may need for my Lab or for local Leaf owners - e.g. AV Head Unit. Note: checked yesterday official Nissan Map update site - they have Europe and US 2015 map updates not Oceania yet, but it is a matter of time I think (content provider is "Here").

Local importer in Auckland suggested to me that they can bring wrecked Leafs from Japan for parts if the need be.

I can take in HV batteries, test and grade them (e.g. remaining capacity) for further repair /rebuild.

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#1493242 16-Feb-2016 13:52

Will have to pin your hopes on the Tesla Model X then:

http://www.driven.co.nz/reviews/reviews/tesla-model-3-will-undercut-chevrolet-bolt-in-us-report/

400km range.

They quote US$35,000 (NZ$52,319) without any subsidies.

The new Nissan Leaf is around $29,000 in the US (NZ$43,500) 135km range - But remember they were selling the old model here for a couple of years to dump them.

So the Tesla Model X will probably cost ridiculously more than the above price seeing as we seem to have to pay a large NZ premium on our car prices.

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#1493253 16-Feb-2016 14:28

When it gets to NZ add 30% to the price. Not sure why but it seems to be the way.

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#1493260 16-Feb-2016 14:34

joker97: When it gets to NZ add 30% to the price. Not sure why but it seems to be the way.

There are many reasons that have been discussed over and over.

Problem is no-one wants to accept it.

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