Petition to reduce EV RUCs

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#3201854 1-Mar-2024 07:27

Ge0rge:
johno1234: Not signing. However admin fee should be wiped and funded from general taxation.

I disagree - why should people who don't own cars subsidise those that do? I agree that the admin fee should be less though.

- diesel vehicle owner.

It puts too much financial drag on the process and puts the entire thing at risk of breakdown due to non compliance.

The admin fee is too high. The roads are a public good used by the government itself as well as public and emergency services. At proposed levels they are saying that the cost of admin is within an order of magnitude of maintaining and building the roads. If you bring the admin fee down to a natural level it risks costing more to manage the admin fee than it collects. Just absorb it and give the system a chance. I am for pragmatic practicality as well as user pays.

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#3201856 1-Mar-2024 07:33

It would help if they ditched the window cards. The cost of printing and emailing this is likely most of the admin fee.

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#3201859 1-Mar-2024 07:42

Ge0rge:
johno1234: Not signing. However admin fee should be wiped and funded from general taxation.

I disagree - why should people who don't own cars subsidise those that do? I agree that the admin fee should be less though.

- diesel vehicle owner.

Okay, by the same logic, I don’t use public transport, why should I subsidise people who do?

There is already a thread covering RUCs which has the same arguments circling endlessly. I have had 2 years of no RUCs, over the next 2 years will pay 7.6c/km, so effectively will average out to 3.8c/km. I am lucky that I can afford to buy a year’s worth of RUCs in one go.

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#3201860 1-Mar-2024 07:54

You and I are subsidising PT. It gets massive subsidisation from local and central governments.

It’s the pay as you go drip feeders of RUC who will be unfairly hammered with the admin fee. It puts the system at risk.

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#3201861 1-Mar-2024 08:02

The RUC (tax) has GST added. The Admin fee has GST added. So tax+tax+tax+tax. How many other taxes do we pay where and admin fee is payable plus tax?

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#3201862 1-Mar-2024 08:05

I’d be perfectly happy to go to a self service kiosk to get a RUC certificate, or better still make it electronic.

I haven’t signed the petition. If 2T is the cutoff, then I won’t be. At least half of the new EVs I have tried have been above that level.

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#3201865 1-Mar-2024 08:08

In my flawed opinion RUCs are an inefficient way of collecting and funding our road infrastructure much like the failed TV license and prescription charges. Increase personal and corporate tax to cover the cost and spread the load and fund the infrastructure from general taxation. It's efficient and run by the best collection agency in Aotearoa.

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#3201874 1-Mar-2024 08:19

MikeB4:

In my flawed opinion RUCs are an inefficient way of collecting and funding our road infrastructure much like the failed TV license and prescription charges. Increase personal and corporate tax to cover the cost and spread the load and fund the infrastructure from general taxation. It's efficient and run by the best collection agency in Aotearoa.

and then those that dont drive have to pay....

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#3201875 1-Mar-2024 08:21

gzt: What is unreasonable about road user fee parity with similar petrol vehicles for electric vehicles?

That's kind of the point - it's not, anymore. Small petrol cars end up paying less.

I'd settle for all cars being on RUCs at the same price by weight class. I don't want a free ride, I'm perfectly happy to pay my way. But the new regime perversely incentivises fossil fuel burners now, which is not the outcome we should get.

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#3201876 1-Mar-2024 08:21

MikeB4:

In my flawed opinion RUCs are an inefficient way of collecting and funding our road infrastructure much like the failed TV license and prescription charges. Increase personal and corporate tax to cover the cost and spread the load and fund the infrastructure from general taxation. It's efficient and run by the best collection agency in Aotearoa.

I am starting to lean this way out of pragmatism. Roads are also a public good, even to those who don't drive on them. They are essential to providing the public, emergency and other services almost everyone relies on to live a normal life. There would be no usable shops, schools, hospitals or supermarkets without roads, whether you personally drive a car on them or not.

However it does leave a bad taste of user-not-pays as far as roading cost goes for those that perhaps should consider transport options other than driving.

As for electric vs dinosaur burners - that could be addressed with carbon taxes. No need to screw the road maintenance scrum here.

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#3201880 1-Mar-2024 08:27

Jase2985:

and then those that dont drive have to pay....

Show me someone who does not benefit in any way, shape or form from there being roads.

We'll exempt that individual.

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#3201881 1-Mar-2024 08:28

Jase2985:

and then those that dont drive have to pay....

Those who don't drive benefit from the transport infrastructure. EG foot paths, over bridges, pedestrian cross overs and crossings, traffic lights, cycle tracks and so on. I benefit from the infrastructure when I take my mobility scooter or wheelchair into town and other journeys.

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#3201882 1-Mar-2024 08:36

If the RUC model is the "fair" and "best" way to do the funding then why not. NZDF user charge, Hospital user charge, School user charge, National Park user charge and so on? the answer is it would be a hugely inefficient and costly means of collection and distribution. General taxation has proven it self to be the most cost effective and efficient way to fund government services.

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#3201891 1-Mar-2024 08:59

Jase2985:

and then those that dont drive have to pay....

So…. I don’t have any kids but my taxes are used to provide education. Taxes aren’t meant to be a user pays system.

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#3201892 1-Mar-2024 09:00

ockel:

I find it ironic that the petition closes on April Fools Day. ROTFLMAO

That's because its the start of the New Tax Year, and the date that EVs will pay RUC from...

BUT... if they are serious then they are too late....

From the Govt's Business statement to Parliament yesterday

"Next week, the House will consider legislation under urgency to complete the final stages of the Government's 100-day plan. Legislation to be considered will include the first reading of the Road User Charges (Light Electric RUC Vehicles) Amendment Bill,

So they really need this petition done and dusted by next week so they present it to the select committee that will look at the legislation in the next few weeks,

The Bill will be law by 1 April, and pretty impossible to reverse once its in effect..

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