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  #2802984 28-Oct-2021 16:44
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Link above, while very interesting reading, takes you to an article about Russia poisoning people - wrong link perhaps?



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  #2804949 31-Oct-2021 22:54
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Nikkei: BYD to Raise Battery Price 20% as Lithium Costs Soar

Chinese electric vehicle and battery maker BYD will increase the price of battery products by at least 20% effective Nov. 1, the company said on Monday in a letter to clients.

The move is further evidence that inflation is hitting producers and subsequently consumers. The costs of raw materials to manufacture lithium batteries has soared this year as a result of surging demand for EVs and China's energy crunch.

Prices of lithium cobalt oxide for cathode materials -- key to producing EV batteries -- more than tripled since December, while the price of electrolytes rose by more than 150%, leading to a significant increase in BYD's costs, the company said.
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  #2805949 2-Nov-2021 10:22
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I assume people saw the release in the last few days of details on Toyota's mid-sized EV SUV, the weirdly named bZ4X.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/126828308/toyota-reveals-production-electric-suv

 

In relation to the model that may qualify for the < $80k rebate:

 

The 1920kg entry-level variant fitted with a 150kW front-mounted electric motor for front-wheel drive (FWD), which helps it sprint from a standstill to 100km/h in 8.4 seconds... Both the FWD and AWD are fitted with a 71.4kWh lithium-ion battery that delivers an estimated range of 460km and 500km respectively on the WLTC (WLTP) combined-cycle test."
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/new-tesla-model-y-hyundai-ioniq-5-and-kia-ev6-beater-how-2022-toyota-bz4x-compares-to 

 

It'll be interesting to see pricing and release date; that said, I'm not sure if there's enough about this car (especially without knowing price and timing) that would put me off the Model Y, should Tesla release a rebate-friendly version here. (I'm more than ever convinced of selecting the Y over the Ioniq 5 or EV6 on their relative boot space - apparently 530 l in the EV6 vs 850 l in the Y [that sounds overly generous, but the consensus seems to be it has the largest storage capacity of the three]).




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  #2806052 2-Nov-2021 11:45
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Model Y SR will be 60kwh and a similar 455km range (wltp) and do 0-100 in 5.6s, RWD, get OTA updates not charge via a damp string and there will be more than 4 examples for sale

 

 

 

and man that yoke thing looks ugly


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  #2806057 2-Nov-2021 12:19
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This was announced early:

 

Factorial’s solid-state technology advances are based on FEST (Factorial Electrolyte System Technology), which leverages a proprietary solid electrolyte material that enables safe and reliable cell performance with high-voltage and high-capacity electrodes and has been scaled in 40Ah cells that perform at room temperature.

 

Hyundai Group partnering with them. 40Ah is a big cell, apparently they facilitate an est. 20% - 50% improvement in range so these don't seem to be too fantastical in terms of what they are suggesting is possible.


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  #2806067 2-Nov-2021 12:28
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kingdragonfly: Nikkei: BYD to Raise Battery Price 20% as Lithium Costs Soar

Chinese electric vehicle and battery maker BYD will increase the price of battery products by at least 20% effective Nov. 1, the company said on Monday in a letter to clients.

The move is further evidence that inflation is hitting producers and subsequently consumers. The costs of raw materials to manufacture lithium batteries has soared this year as a result of surging demand for EVs and China's energy crunch.

Prices of lithium cobalt oxide for cathode materials -- key to producing EV batteries -- more than tripled since December, while the price of electrolytes rose by more than 150%, leading to a significant increase in BYD's costs, the company said.
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This explains why Tesla is moving aggressively to secure its own lithium mines (in Nevada) and other resources.




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  #2806071 2-Nov-2021 12:45
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tbh nickel is more relevant, theres not much lithium used in a battery 


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  #2806174 2-Nov-2021 14:44
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Tesla opens superchargers to any EV in the Netherlands.

 

https://www.tesla.com/support/non-tesla-supercharging


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  #2806302 2-Nov-2021 15:59
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RunningMan:

 

Tesla opens superchargers to any EV in the Netherlands.

 

https://www.tesla.com/support/non-tesla-supercharging

 

 

Its only 10 sites thou.... but its a toe in the water.  

 

The other shoe to drop is the price for non tesla owners, its appears to be variable, but it reported as .57 Euro, or 90c NZD per KWh... 

 

But when you need to charge you need to charge....

 

https://www.electrive.com/2021/11/01/tesla-opens-charging-for-third-parties-in-the-netherlands/

 

 


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  #2806303 2-Nov-2021 16:02
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Supercharging prices are variable for tesla owners also. 

lets hope they keep an eye on use and build the network out to cope with the extra use.

Some kiwi SC sites are already quite busy.


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  #2807181 4-Nov-2021 09:04
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American bought an electric supercar from China (USD $31,000 / NZ $43,250 new)

The Inja

I bought an Electric Supercar from China!! The chinese have burned me in the past, and maybe I shouldn't have trusted them with this big of an order. This electric car should have been a Qiantu K50 sport car (all electric), but you'll see that the chinese sent me, let's say, a....lesser....model.

Today was the biggest disappointment of my life. Watch the video and you'll see what SHOULD have been an amazing moment, ripped my heart out of my chest and set me back about $32,000 all said and done.


 
 
 

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  #2807238 4-Nov-2021 09:32
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Gee, I'd love to have $43K I could just throw away on a gamble. I wonder if he wants to buy me a new car? I promise I'll let him drive it.

 

 

 

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  #2807243 4-Nov-2021 09:39
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wellygary:

 

Its only 10 sites thou.... but its a toe in the water.  

 

The other shoe to drop is the price for non tesla owners, its appears to be variable, but it reported as .57 Euro, or 90c NZD per KWh... 

 

But when you need to charge you need to charge....

 

https://www.electrive.com/2021/11/01/tesla-opens-charging-for-third-parties-in-the-netherlands/

 

 

 

 

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  #2807593 4-Nov-2021 16:34
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The government giveth with one hand and take back some with the other hand 

 

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/kiwis%E2%80%99-views-sought-plan-deal-used-tyres-and-large-batteries

 

"Our plan will see manufacturers, sellers and users taking responsibility for ensuring old tyres and large batteries don’t end up in landfills or the environment,” Environment Minister David Parker said. The plan proposes a “product stewardship fee” charged at the time of purchase to cover collection and recycling at the end of a product’s life."

 

"For example on a new $62,000 Nissan Leaf, which attracts an EV subsidy of about $8000, the battery fee to the importer would be just over $200."

 

Their leaf battery estimation is a bit out of date but the pricing scheme estimates a 24Kwh battery would be $205 and a 75Kwh battery would be $305 

 

 


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  #2807660 4-Nov-2021 18:49
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Large batteries and used tires shouldn't be equated.

in 1896, Cecil Woods in Timaru built the first motor vehicle in New Zealand. In that time till now, New Zealand really hasn't gotten a handle on recycling used tires. I'd venture that less than .1% of used tires see a second life, as anything besides landfill, the rare retaining wall, and tire swings.

Worse unless a tire is shredded, it's a perfect breeding pond for mosquitos.

From Tyre recycling: in a roundabout way:

"Each tyre attracts a collection fee of between $3 to $5 for disposal. Tyre centres have bins full of tyres to be collected meaning all a tyre disposer has to do is drive by, collect them and send an invoice. Truck tyres cost even more to dispose of. It's a simple business case to pick them up and then worry about what to do with them.

As one insider puts it, 'there is no money in recycling tyres. There is only money in collecting them.'

Large EV batteries can be used for energy storage for renewables, and when the batteries can't even do that, their raw materials have value.

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