Do we assume a release date early 2022 now for the Tesla Y?

Shindig:

 

Do we assume a release date early 2022 now for the Tesla Y?

 

There's been some talk in Aus with the digging up of potential specs of the models to be offered (https://www.drive.com.au/news/2022-tesla-model-y-australian-details-leaked/) but there, like here, there still doesn't seem to be any firm idea when the lineup and pricing will be announced, let alone when deliveries will start (for the latter I've read more mentions of '22 than '21). 

As discussed on the M3 thread, I'm hanging out for the announcement but pretty much reliant on them including a standard range MY that comes in at under $80k. All questions I've submitted via Tesla's website have been completely ignored, which is a good reminder of why I'm not a fanboi of the company, but still nothing else at this stage seems to offer the capacity and performance while also (hopefully!) being eligible for a rebate...

kingdragonfly:

Large EV batteries can be used for energy storage for renewables, and when the batteries can't even do that, their raw materials have value.

In fact there is growing evidence that recycled cathodes perform better than brand new ones. Between that and the increasing environmental costs of mining some of the rarer materials, battery recycling is in our future for sure.

kingdragonfly: Large batteries and used tires shouldn't be equated.

in 1896, Cecil Woods in Timaru built the first motor vehicle in New Zealand. In that time till now, New Zealand really hasn't gotten a handle on recycling used tires. I'd venture that less than .1% of used tires see a second life, as anything besides landfill, the rare retaining wall, and tire swings.

As of last year around 50%  get used to make cement in Whangarei...

https://fletcherbuilding.com/news/golden-bay-cement-sustainable-disposal-solution-for-waste-tyres-a-new-zealand-first/

jonathan18: I'm hanging out for the announcement but pretty much reliant on them including a standard range MY that comes in at under $80k. All questions I've submitted via Tesla's website have been completely ignored, which is a good reminder of why I'm not a fanboi of the company, but still nothing else at this stage seems to offer the capacity and performance while also (hopefully!) being eligible for a rebate...

wellygary: As of last year around 50%  of tyres get used to make cement in Whangarei...

https://fletcherbuilding.com/news/golden-bay-cement-sustainable-disposal-solution-for-waste-tyres-a-new-zealand-first/

kingdragonfly: American bought an electric supercar from China (USD $31,000 / NZ $43,250

afe66: Yeah but all their doing really is burning them. Is that really any better than landfill which a least locks the carbon surely..

No, because you are replacing another carbon source, coal .... 

If you accept the cement has to be manufactured the emissions have to happen, - you can use extra coal, or simply use the carbon in the tyres, and thus remove the need to bury them-

Just received an email from my friendly neighbourhood Hyundai dealer. Inviting me to express interest in an Ioniq 5 it showed the pricing as “From $79990”. I wonder how they settled on that price for the entry level 2wd 58kWh model?
It means the longer range models are prohibitively expensive with no rebate. I do wish the government would be more realistic with the upper limit as there are quite a few EVs and PHEVs between 80 and 100 thousand. If an EV takes a ICE off the road why does it matter if it’s $20k or $2m in getting a max $8625 back?

The point is moot because it appears the Ioniq5 is sold out until mid 2022 anyway.

Edit: not sure why my post appears bolded. It’s nothing I have done.

People dropping hundreds of thousands of dollars on a new car don't need government cash. Nor are people buying Model S Plaids going to be buying fleets that will eventually wash through to the second hand market.

Should have made the incentive scale at the bottom and taper out at the top to drive adoption IMO.

E: Not sure what the deal is with the boldness either but it does my post an extra tone of assertiveness which makes me uncomfortable.

As I have pointed out previously, the gst component of $80k is $11.5k. More than enough to cover the rebate plus admin. It is just a clash between the politics of envy and the cost of virtue signalling. For instance I like the Model 3 Performance but only the Standard Range fits in the rebate bracket. I could get the SR and go “look at me, I’m driving a Tesla” or get the car I would prefer and feel like I’m being disadvantaged for doing so. The bonus being the government has collected an extra $4500 in gst and stopped me buying a Mustang instead (the Mach-E not being available).

I think the rebate should taper off above 80k mebe up to 100k but I'm not 100% convinced even if this is bold. 

With it setup the way it is we are getting more vehicles under 80k prices than we would otherwise.

Dingbatt:

 

Just received an email from my friendly neighbourhood Hyundai dealer. Inviting me to express interest in an Ioniq 5 it showed the pricing as “From $79990”. I wonder how they settled on that price for the entry level 2wd 58kWh model?
It means the longer range models are prohibitively expensive with no rebate. I do wish the government would be more realistic with the upper limit as there are quite a few EVs and PHEVs between 80 and 100 thousand. If an EV takes a ICE off the road why does it matter if it’s $20k or $2m in getting a max $8625 back?

 

The point is moot because it appears the Ioniq5 is sold out until mid 2022 anyway.

 

Edit: not sure why my post appears bolded. It’s nothing I have done.

 

As I mentioned in an earlier post, there were apparently still some of the base model Ioniq 5s that become available after the initial statement from Hyundai that all had pre-sold; that was 10 days ago so may no longer be the case!

Dingbatt:

 

As I have pointed out previously, the gst component of $80k is $11.5k. More than enough to cover the rebate plus admin. It is just a clash between the politics of envy and the cost of virtue signalling. For instance I like the Model 3 Performance but only the Standard Range fits in the rebate bracket. I could get the SR and go “look at me, I’m driving a Tesla” or get the car I would prefer and feel like I’m being disadvantaged for doing so. The bonus being the government has collected an extra $4500 in gst and stopped me buying a Mustang instead (the Mach-E not being available).

 

I wonder if there would be a possibility of you reigning in the hectoring tone and content of posts like this - it's unfortunate that you feel the need to politicise so many threads with your own strongly-held perspective, often making the same point again and again. It's when threads end up in this space that I start switching off... 

RobDickinson:

 

I think the rebate should taper off above 80k mebe up to 100k but I'm not 100% convinced even if this is bold. 

 

Why though? Surely the purpose is to get an EV on the road and an ICE off it. We have been told ad nauseum that the fee on the ‘polluters’ will pay for the rebates in a cost neutral way and the rebate tops out at $8625. I see it from the perspective of the government preventing the manufacturers from effectively adding the rebate to their profit margin if there isn’t an upper limit but the variety of EVs coming to market means they will have to compete on price. Particularly if someone like BYD enters the NZ market.

Tapering the rebate off is effectively introducing a luxury car tax on vehicles that aren’t particularly luxurious. Someone who buys a Taycan or e-Tron GT* is still paying over $30000 in GST.

* My lotto car.