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#2063820 27-Jul-2018 19:51

The footpaths in the pictures could, or could’ve been, combined cycle/walkways. They seem to work quite well and the seperation gives both a real and perceived sense of increased safety.

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#2063908 28-Jul-2018 09:24

Geektastic: It's an odd design. European cycle designs usually have a cycles only box in front of all the cars. This would make the cycles clearly visible to the cars as well as ensuring they get away ahead of the cars when the lights change.

Look again, that intersection does have a bicycle storage bay in front of the car stop line. As usual though, most drivers are idiots and stop in it because they're either oblivious or don't care.

Lastman: The footpaths in the pictures could, or could’ve been, combined cycle/walkways. They seem to work quite well and the seperation gives both a real and perceived sense of increased safety.

Funny you say that though, considering every time I see a cycling discussion mention shared paths cyclists immediately rear up and proclaim how those are stupid and dangerous and impractical and they would never use them, preferring the road lanes instead.

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#2063936 28-Jul-2018 10:16

Funny you say that though, considering every time I see a cycling discussion mention shared paths cyclists immediately rear up and proclaim how those are stupid and dangerous and impractical and they would never use them, preferring the road lanes instead.

You’ll never make everyone happy. The national cycleway system is shared and it seems to work well from what I’ve seen. Not ever footpath may be suitable but I think it’s a good option in the mix.

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#2063953 28-Jul-2018 10:57

A dutch solution:

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#2064073 28-Jul-2018 12:16

Lastman: The footpaths in the pictures could, or could’ve been, combined cycle/walkways. They seem to work quite well and the seperation gives both a real and perceived sense of increased safety.

As a pedestrian and public transport user, the cyclist behaviour that I have experienced has really turned me against combining footpaths and cycleways. When cyclists are on the road they are vulnerable, but putting them on the footpath just shifts that risk from the cyclist to the pedestrian.

There was a terrible pedestrian vs cyclist accident on the dangerous Island Bay cycleway last year, and it could very easily have been fatal.

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#2064075 28-Jul-2018 12:21

Lastman:

A dutch solution:

No, that would never work here.......no Kiwi experience etc etc...

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#2064284 28-Jul-2018 17:47

Question: if i am in a car, indicating to turn left, and there is a gap in the cycle lane, and I start my left turn then the cyclist hits me in the b pillar - haven't they broken the road code? Isn't there some requirement to allow a car changing lanes in and not close the gap?

I'm pretty sure in auckland you get fined for closing the gap on someone trying to change lanes. Why not here? It seems to apply.

The only other option in the accident was the car over took the cyclist late (removing the i didn't seem them defence) and tried to cut around in front forcing the cyclist to brake - instead of braking and letting cyclist through first.

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#2064285 28-Jul-2018 17:54

nunz:

Question: if i am in a car, indicating to turn left, and there is a gap in the cycle lane, and I start my left turn then the cyclist hits me in the b pillar - haven't they broken the road code? Isn't there some requirement to allow a car changing lanes in and not close the gap?

I'm pretty sure in auckland you get fined for closing the gap on someone trying to change lanes. Why not here? It seems to apply.

No, If you change lanes you have to give way. There is no requirement for someone to let you in. Indicating doesn't give you right of way...I know bus drivers think it does...but they are bigger than me (so is the bus)

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#2064340 28-Jul-2018 20:52

Lastman: The footpaths in the pictures could, or could’ve been, combined cycle/walkways. They seem to work quite well and the seperation gives both a real and perceived sense of increased safety.

Combined cycle/walkways work great for cyclists that are traveling slowly, i.e when I am riding with my children. They don't work great when i am traveling at speed, i.e when I am cycling to work. I can be travelling in excess of 40km/hr. Cycling at that type of speed with pedestrians isn't safe.

I used to cycle in to work most days, got hit 3 times in a year, 2 of the times in a cycle lane, I now run, easier to avoid cars.

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#2064833 30-Jul-2018 10:18

scuwp:

Yes there are obstructions to visibility, but that is not an excuse to claim a 'blind spot' caused a crash. An observant driver using proper techniques (taught at any basic defensive driving course) will effectively scan and observe other vehicles/cyclists etc and will be aware of their environment at all times.

If you are saying blind spots do exist, but an observant driver should be mindful of them and make allowances, then I agree.

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#2064895 30-Jul-2018 11:55

The Nelson Street raised barrier islands (?) seems to do well, it separates cyclists and gives them their own lights at the intersection on Wellesley st west.

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#2064913 30-Jul-2018 12:27

SpartanVXL: The Nelson Street raised barrier islands (?) seems to do well, it separates cyclists and gives them their own lights at the intersection on Wellesley st west.

Ah, separate light sequence = problem solved.

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#2064917 30-Jul-2018 12:35

mclean:

SpartanVXL: The Nelson Street raised barrier islands (?) seems to do well, it separates cyclists and gives them their own lights at the intersection on Wellesley st west.

Ah, separate light sequence = problem solved.

You would think right.

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When pedestrian. I've Seen..

cyclist run the red bike

Cars run the red left arrow and nearly take out cyclist

Nearly been taken out by cyclist ignoring

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#2064939 30-Jul-2018 13:06

Mesmerising, but might be of interest. Loved the 'turbo' roundabout! If only drivers actually merged and used lanes properly like they show here. Cyclists and pedestrians ideally need grade separation...couldn't imagine trying to do some of these on me bike.

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#2064948 30-Jul-2018 13:26

scuwp:

Mesmerising, but might be of interest. Loved the 'turbo' roundabout! If only drivers actually merged and used lanes properly like they show here. Cyclists and pedestrians ideally need grade separation...couldn't imagine trying to do some of these on me bike.

Definitely the turbine...

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