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  #2953730 12-Aug-2022 08:44
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Its amazing how the negative price pressures / price relief coincides with the Govt sending them a "please explain" letter. As always expected, prices shot up very quickly to absorb the 29c tax cut, consumers were no better off and only when the threat of intervention or investigation looms, do they deem us worthy of a price drop.

 

 

 

Someone so much as passes gas in the middle east and theres "market volatility creating upwards price pressure on oil" which is passed on to the consumer before the smell dissipates,. Oil prices drop and/or exchange rate becomes more favourable, all of a sudden the "long term views" become priority and price drops move at glacial retreat pace.

 



Oil companies often increase the price when governments threaten to intervene. They know their conservative political allies will then whine about inflation and let the oil companies get away with playing politics with petrol prices.

Supermarkets have caught on to this game. They get to track up huge profits while the Opposition blames the government for inflation.

It's a sign the participants in these "markets" aren't competing.....they are price fixing for profit and political advantage.

 

I'm pretty sure with a Labour 2nd term supermajority government, that the conservative opposition are not responsible for the current operating environment of the supermarket and gas companies.




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  #2953766 12-Aug-2022 10:33
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Saw 98 for under $3 for the first time in forever. Kinda skews the EV calculations I did that were relying on it hitting $4 but oh well. Will still end up saving on the maintenance costs.





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  #2953770 12-Aug-2022 10:50
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Saw 98 for under $3 for the first time in forever. Kinda skews the EV calculations I did that were relying on it hitting $4 but oh well. Will still end up saving on the maintenance costs.

 

 

I think the electricity equivalent cost is about 30c per litre, so still well ahead of the game. When petrol was $2 per litre and eventual RUC was 70c, not quite so compelling, dependent on the premium you pay for the EV over an equivalent ICE




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  #2953773 12-Aug-2022 11:02
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I think the electricity equivalent cost is about 30c per litre, so still well ahead of the game. When petrol was $2 per litre and eventual RUC was 70c, not quite so compelling, dependent on the premium you pay for the EV over an equivalent ICE

 

 

It is still the initial outlay for most people, including me, so no thanks.

 

I'll stick with my one and a half tonne petrol-burning box, for now.


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  #2953787 12-Aug-2022 11:16
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Fair enough, the overwhelming desire is to reduce fuel costs, the save the earth is more a nice benefit


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  #2953794 12-Aug-2022 11:33
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I think the electricity equivalent cost is about 30c per litre, so still well ahead of the game. When petrol was $2 per litre and eventual RUC was 70c, not quite so compelling, dependent on the premium you pay for the EV over an equivalent ICE

 

 

Yeah but its looking like buying new, getting Jacindas bribe and selling it in 3-4 years and being ahead of just using the fuel car till there is an EV I actually want will not be a sure thing now.





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  #2953817 12-Aug-2022 12:52
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richms:

 

Saw 98 for under $3 for the first time in forever. Kinda skews the EV calculations I did that were relying on it hitting $4 but oh well. Will still end up saving on the maintenance costs.

 

 

I think the electricity equivalent cost is about 30c per litre, so still well ahead of the game. When petrol was $2 per litre and eventual RUC was 70c, not quite so compelling, dependent on the premium you pay for the EV over an equivalent ICE

 

 

Got to drive enough miles to cover the extra $30k purchase cost of a BEV over an ICE though.


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  #2953832 12-Aug-2022 13:54
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Oil companies often increase the price when governments threaten to intervene. They know their conservative political allies will then whine about inflation and let the oil companies get away with playing politics with petrol prices.

Supermarkets have caught on to this game. They get to track up huge profits while the Opposition blames the government for inflation.

It's a sign the participants in these "markets" aren't competing.....they are price fixing for profit and political advantage.

 

I think it's the opposite. When the government investigates pricing, the prices go down, until the investigation is over. I agree that they aren't competing, but it's purely for profit. Political advantage is good, if it's good for profit.

 

 


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  #2954014 12-Aug-2022 17:43
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Boy did I gamble wrong I'm losing money by the day as it drops from my prepaid stuff

That said I've just gone past z and it's going up. 2.53 from 2.49

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  #2954035 12-Aug-2022 19:12
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It's $2.41 at my local Z. I don't need to fill up yet but maybe I should get half a tank...


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  #2954037 12-Aug-2022 19:23
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It's $2.41 at my local Z. I don't need to fill up yet but maybe I should get half a tank...

 

 

Globally prices are easing. NZ Govt applying pressure, I'd wait


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  #2954038 12-Aug-2022 19:24
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People will travel for cheaper Petrol. On Wednesday BP and Z (and by association Caltex) were all doing 10c a litre off.

 

The pre-discount prices of 91 at my locals in Johnsonville were:

 

2.619 BP & Z

 

2.599 at Caltex (Old Hutt Road)

 

Taking 10c off put the prices at 2.519 (BP & Z) and 2.499 (Caltex).

 

The BP & Z had one or two cars at the pumps, the Caltex had a queue 3 cars deep at each pump!


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  #2954085 13-Aug-2022 06:42
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tdgeek:

 

I think the electricity equivalent cost is about 30c per litre, so still well ahead of the game. When petrol was $2 per litre and eventual RUC was 70c, not quite so compelling, dependent on the premium you pay for the EV over an equivalent ICE

 

 

It is still the initial outlay for most people, including me, so no thanks.

 

I'll stick with my one and a half tonne petrol-burning box, for now.

 

 

current EVs are made for rich people, not the masses - too expensive

 

China might have something to say about that, we will find out in a few years


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  #2954088 13-Aug-2022 07:26
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There are already Chinese made EV in NZ. MG and BYD come to mind, there may be more. I think they start at around $50,000.00, so they're up there with the rest. Certainly don't seem to be interested in inexpensive options.




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  #2954097 13-Aug-2022 08:39
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I'd say that even 50k is a lot for more of the population than not, though it is more affordable than 100k.

But comparing apples to apples you have Chinese SUVs for 20k vs Chinese EVs for 50k, that's still a 100% premium up front

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