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#2016257 15-May-2018 12:30

MikeAqua:

How is this for incomprehensible stupidity

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/103886235/passenger-had-already-accepted-fatal-crash-before-it-happened

Speed, wrecklessness, meth, alcohol, cannabis and anger.

And this is why I will pick up any of my family or friends from any situation no matter how bad or how far no questions asked.
Depending on the situation I may be a little bit angrier than usual for getting themselves into that position.

Had the lil sis call me up once already at 3 AM cause one of their mates 'was all good to drive drunk' and they needed a lift cause they got out of the car.

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#2016272 15-May-2018 12:54

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MikeAqua:

How is this for incomprehensible stupidity

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/103886235/passenger-had-already-accepted-fatal-crash-before-it-happened

Speed, wrecklessness, meth, alcohol, cannabis and anger.

And this is why I will pick up any of my family or friends from any situation no matter how bad or how far no questions asked.
Depending on the situation I may be a little bit angrier than usual for getting themselves into that position.

Had the lil sis call me up once already at 3 AM cause one of their mates 'was all good to drive drunk' and they needed a lift cause they got out of the car.

When my kids get older, I'll tell them the same thing. I will try to arrange some kind of taxi account they can use too.

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#2016282 15-May-2018 13:25

surfisup1000:

When my kids get older, I'll tell them the same thing. I will try to arrange some kind of taxi account they can use too.

With ours it was always the understanding that they could call us to pick them up. If for any reason we couldn't drive they could get a taxi home and we would pay. They could call and have the driver speaks to us to confirm that if necessary. Also a good opportunity for the kids to read us the driver's ID code.

The only really concerning situation I've had to pick one of the kids up from was a party where some aggro gate crashers turned up. That was a hostile situation.

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#2016466 15-May-2018 19:19

I don't recall the exact location, but this happened somewhere around Waipukurau when I was driving from Napier to Wellington on Sunday.

A guy in a Land Rover overtakes me at high speed through a road works site. He then starts tailgating the next car ahead, really really close, while weaving in the lane. After a minute or so he overtakes that car with minimal visibility over a double yellow centreline and then starts doing the same thing to the next vehicle ahead. Eventually he overtook that vehicle and disappeared off into the distance.

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#2016554 15-May-2018 23:35

Anyone else get the feeling there is no coming back from Kiwis culture to boot it on yellows and not stop.

They had people on the radio the other day being asked what their reaction was. 1 person said they stop and the reason - proceeded to read the actual rule 1:1. The rest all said they speed up so the person behind doesn't hit them?!?!?!?

I've been tooted at for keeping intersections clear from behind. I just don't get it.

Clearly one of few out there that thinks methodically (thanks early day HP training 7 steps). Brains always thinking 'what if' and 2-3 cars out from current surroundings in an invisible safety bubble.

Anyway, pet peeve is yellow runners and those proceeding into the intersection when only the turning vehicles within can complete the turn and not follow..

Add that to wet conditions, and it's asking for disaster. Exhibit A (last ones a doozy)

I've had people tell me most intersection accidents attended are people taking off on the green when entitled, only to hit or be hit by the stragglers boosting it. Not a case of moving on the wrong signal or similar.

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#2016555 15-May-2018 23:59

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the actual rule is that you should stop on a yellow IF it is safe to do so. Having decent breaks, and fat-ish sticky Eagle F1 tyres, I'd too be a little worried about a car tailing me and not being able to stop in time if I drop anchor at every yellow light. Obviously many people take that to the extreme and endanger others.

Would be interesting to know what the psychology behind it is, but I imagine the high levels of general traffic pay a large part to people not wanting to stop.

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#2016556 16-May-2018 00:12

insane:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the actual rule is that you should stop on a yellow IF it is safe to do so. Having decent breaks, and fat-ish sticky Eagle F1 tyres, I'd too be a little worried about a car tailing me and not being able to stop in time if I drop anchor at every yellow light. Obviously many people take that to the extreme and endanger others.

Would be interesting to know what the psychology behind it is, but I imagine the high levels of general traffic pay a large part to people not wanting to stop.

Correct. However much like the theory of that. And don't enter the intersection unless your exit is clear blurring with complete the turn on red and so on. Theory is flow should be following at a safe enough distance to stop in half the gap if someone does hit the anchors. But how many follow that as much as actually make an attempt to stop.

complacency has taken over. What are those new stats. 15% of accidents involved speed, rest was most likely driver or external means.

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#2016616 16-May-2018 08:03

Oblivian: And don't enter the intersection unless your exit is clear blurring with complete the turn on red and so on.

Is there a rule that allows a drier to complete the turn on Red? I always understood that heading out i tot eh intersection to wait for gap i traffic was techncially illegal, but many drivers do it and it's tolerated by law enforcement.

I can think of a couple of intersections I regularly use where it's the only way to get right turn and even then it's difficult due to amber-gamblers coming straight through.

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#2016642 16-May-2018 08:51

MikeAqua:
Is there a rule that allows a drier to complete the turn on Red? I always understood that heading out i tot eh intersection to wait for gap i traffic was techncially illegal, but many drivers do it and it's tolerated by law enforcement.

I can think of a couple of intersections I regularly use where it's the only way to get right turn and even then it's difficult due to amber-gamblers coming straight through.

I've not found the legislature to back it up. But yes

https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/resources/turning-right-traffic-lights/

It's of course also covered by don't enter unless your exit is clear. That can mean oncoming, other left turning that may fill the gap and so on...

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#2016650 16-May-2018 09:21

Oblivian:

It's of course also covered by don't enter unless your exit is clear. That can mean oncoming, other left turning that may fill the gap and so on...

Coincidentally I had just looked this up in the The Road Transport (Road User) Rule 2004. It says not to enter an intersection if your exit is blocked by stationary vehicles.

So you are not prohibited from entering the intersection and waiting to turn right unless your exit is blocked by stationary traffic.

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#2016657 16-May-2018 09:37

surfisup1000:

Coil:

MikeAqua:

How is this for incomprehensible stupidity

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/103886235/passenger-had-already-accepted-fatal-crash-before-it-happened

Speed, wrecklessness, meth, alcohol, cannabis and anger.

And this is why I will pick up any of my family or friends from any situation no matter how bad or how far no questions asked.
Depending on the situation I may be a little bit angrier than usual for getting themselves into that position.

Had the lil sis call me up once already at 3 AM cause one of their mates 'was all good to drive drunk' and they needed a lift cause they got out of the car.

When my kids get older, I'll tell them the same thing. I will try to arrange some kind of taxi account they can use too.

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#2016666 16-May-2018 09:50

insane:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the actual rule is that you should stop on a yellow IF it is safe to do so. Having decent breaks, and fat-ish sticky Eagle F1 tyres, I'd too be a little worried about a car tailing me and not being able to stop in time if I drop anchor at every yellow light. Obviously many people take that to the extreme and endanger others.

Would be interesting to know what the psychology behind it is, but I imagine the high levels of general traffic pay a large part to people not wanting to stop.

The orange light does give a lot of warning and there is no need to brake heavily.

In the above video, that stupid person in the ute actually accelerates from a crawl to get through the orange, almost causing an accident with oncoming vehicles who chose to do the same thing.

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#2016669 16-May-2018 09:53

MikeAqua:
Oblivian:

It's of course also covered by don't enter unless your exit is clear. That can mean oncoming, other left turning that may fill the gap and so on...

Coincidentally I had just looked this up in the The Road Transport (Road User) Rule 2004. It says not to enter an intersection if your exit is blocked by stationary vehicles.

So you are not prohibited from entering the intersection and waiting to turn right unless your exit is blocked by stationary traffic.

Indeed. There are broad overlaps everywhere. Also covered by the give way to others when crossing the centreline etc. You can't predict what your exit is going to do with everyone else abandoning all logic and reason (rules)

Intersections these days aren't a case of give way, stop on orange, don't proceed unless clear.

It's gun the bugger and hope for the best!

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#2016734 16-May-2018 11:17

Something new I learned today -

NZ's road transport rule 2004 allows for the setting of minimum speeds in designated lanes, these minimum speed have to be observed except where conditions make them unsafe.

Also, slow vehicles must use slow vehicle bays. They must pull left and stay left until they are no longer holding up traffic or until the way is clear for them to re-enter the main lane.

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#2016877 16-May-2018 14:34

Oblivian:
MikeAqua:

Oblivian:

It's of course also covered by don't enter unless your exit is clear. That can mean oncoming, other left turning that may fill the gap and so on...

Coincidentally I had just looked this up in the The Road Transport (Road User) Rule 2004. It says not to enter an intersection if your exit is blocked by stationary vehicles.

So you are not prohibited from entering the intersection and waiting to turn right unless your exit is blocked by stationary traffic.

Indeed. There are broad overlaps everywhere. Also covered by the give way to others when crossing the centreline etc. You can't predict what your exit is going to do with everyone else abandoning all logic and reason (rules)

Intersections these days aren't a case of give way, stop on orange, don't proceed unless clear.

It's gun the bugger and hope for the best!

Don't know if Christchurch is worse than other cities but we have a lot of very busy intersections where you don't get a green arrow to turn right. So everyone is forced to turn on late orange/red after making sure no idiot is still coming through straight ahead.

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