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#2923948 8-Jun-2022 13:52

wellygary:

RobDickinson:

https://www.bydauto.co.nz/

Ooh hello...

Except its accompanied by some brain dead currency conversions by reporters,

"The Atto 3 currently retails in Australia for AU$44,990 (NZ$50,125) drive away, which could potentially see it dethroning the MG ZS EV as New Zealand’s cheapest EV if Ateco can achieve similar pricing here."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/128892180/could-this-be-new-zealands-new-cheapest-ev

Err last time I looked our GST was 15% while OZ was 10% so you need to add another 5% on that price taking it to over $52K ( the MG is $49.9K)

It won't be cheaper than the MG, but damn it is quite a funky looking car. The youtube reviews out of China are generally positive with solid if not unremarkable performance and handling and range seems to be pretty close too advertised.

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#2923954 8-Jun-2022 14:00

wellygary:

HarmLessSolutions:

So far as 'battery' capacity is concerned this article in Stuff recently explained the rational behind the Lake Onslow pumped hydro proposal well.

Lake Onslow is a boondoggle and a glint in a Academics eye... The costings are 15 years out of date, and if you were going to spend $4 billion (it will be more) on an energy project in NZ. doing it in the middle if the South Island when most of your load and people live in the North seems odd..

Simply building more renewable generation in the NI is the optimal solution, this allows the existing Hydro to be run less and retain the water we already have..

Problem being that all of the available hydro opportunities in the North Island are already developed, and presumedly a suitable site doesn't exist for a pumped option. Other renewables such as wind and solar don't address baseload supply which is the reason to boost storage and as per the article pumped hydro is far and away larger capacity and cheaper than large scale battery schemes. The comparisons given in the study between the various existing generators' capacities make the situation clear in terms of security of supply.

Increasing transmission capacity SI-NI is already being addressed with the indecisiveness surrounding Tiwai only making that a more pressing need.

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#2923957 8-Jun-2022 14:11

HarmLessSolutions:

SaltyNZ:

We don't need nuclear in NZ. I guess longer term the jury is out on whether climate change will ultimately deliver more or less rainfall into the hydro dams - I think the last study I saw predicted marginally more - but as long as we have plenty of hydro plus storage for wind & solar it's just not necessary here.

Other places though ... Australia should be doing it.

So far as 'battery' capacity is concerned this article in Stuff recently explained the rational behind the Lake Onslow pumped hydro proposal well.

ETA: and compared to a nuclear solution it probably stacks up better in terms of cost and with less potential pushback from the public.

Yes, Lake Onslow will mostly solve NZ's storage problem. As far as the environmental costs of flooding a large area for hydro go, those are already paid so there is really no reason not to do it other than the huge cost. I'm a bit on the fence as to whether to prioritise Lake Onslow or to use some of the immediately available funds to push more people into EVs earlier as there will be more bang for the buck doing that than by pushing from where we are to 100% renewable.

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#2923966 8-Jun-2022 14:19

SaltyNZ:

HarmLessSolutions:

So far as 'battery' capacity is concerned this article in Stuff recently explained the rational behind the Lake Onslow pumped hydro proposal well.

ETA: and compared to a nuclear solution it probably stacks up better in terms of cost and with less potential pushback from the public.

Yes, Lake Onslow will mostly solve NZ's storage problem. As far as the environmental costs of flooding a large area for hydro go, those are already paid so there is really no reason not to do it other than the huge cost. I'm a bit on the fence as to whether to prioritise Lake Onslow or to use some of the immediately available funds to push more people into EVs earlier as there will be more bang for the buck doing that than by pushing from where we are to 100% renewable.

The aspect I find most frustrating is the government's failure to incentivise domestic PV installation. This would address both NZ generation and transmission capacities plus providing a more convenient EV charging opportunity while further reducing EV ownership cost.

https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/

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#2923969 8-Jun-2022 14:21

HarmLessSolutions:

The aspect I find most frustrating is the government's failure to incentivise domestic PV installation. This would address both NZ generation and transmission capacities plus providing a more convenient EV charging opportunity while further reducing EV ownership cost.

Yeah it was unbelievable there was not a cent for that in the climate change plan other than for (IIRC) 'community' resources which I assume means schools or the like.

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#2923973 8-Jun-2022 14:32

SaltyNZ:

HarmLessSolutions:

The aspect I find most frustrating is the government's failure to incentivise domestic PV installation. This would address both NZ generation and transmission capacities plus providing a more convenient EV charging opportunity while further reducing EV ownership cost.

Yeah it was unbelievable there was not a cent for that in the climate change plan other than for (IIRC) 'community' resources which I assume means schools or the like.

Conflict of interest resulting in not wanting to reduce the profits of the government and partially privatised major generators. As usual follow the money I guess.

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#2923977 8-Jun-2022 14:47

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/byd-executive-says-it-will-supply-batteries-tesla-very-soon-2733746

"We are now good friends with Elon Musk because we are preparing to supply batteries to Tesla very soon," said Lian Yubo, BYD's Executive Vice President in an interview with Kui Yingchun, an anchor with China's state-owned broadcaster CGTN.

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#2923979 8-Jun-2022 14:54

Oh also - get your name down for an Ora cat here

https://cockramora.co.nz/

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#2923983 8-Jun-2022 15:08

RobDickinson:

Oh also - get your name down for an Ora cat here

https://cockramora.co.nz/

You'd have to hope their car design team have better skills than their IT dept. That URL looks like someone's idea of a joke.... Then I scrolled to the bottom and saw who the NZ agent for Ora was and the penny dropped 🤔

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#2923984 8-Jun-2022 15:11

SaltyNZ:

Yes, Lake Onslow will mostly solve NZ's storage problem.

Whereabouts in the northern half of the North Island (where the power is required) is Lake Onslow?

Better to put money into rooftop solar and virtual power plants where it’s actually needed.

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wellygary

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#2923985 8-Jun-2022 15:15

HarmLessSolutions:

RobDickinson:

Oh also - get your name down for an Ora cat here

https://cockramora.co.nz/

You'd have to hope their car design team have better skills than their IT dept. That URL looks like someone's idea of a joke.

That's the local dealer, (Cockram)

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#2924018 8-Jun-2022 17:00

The aspect I find most frustrating is the government's failure to incentivise domestic PV installation. This would address both NZ generation and transmission capacities

Would it though? Unless solar also includes storage, our peak demand would still be cold/still winter evenings, where even if every house in NZ had solar PV we would still need exactly the same amount of generation & transmission capacities.

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#2924026 8-Jun-2022 17:26

Mattnzl:

The aspect I find most frustrating is the government's failure to incentivise domestic PV installation. This would address both NZ generation and transmission capacities

Would it though? Unless solar also includes storage, our peak demand would still be cold/still winter evenings, where even if every house in NZ had solar PV we would still need exactly the same amount of generation & transmission capacities.

We have a Leaf with a Polestar2 due in the coming weeks. Our charging is predominantly during daylight hours so largely corresponds with our PV generation. Even for those who aren't able to charge during the day (or on cloudt days in our case) there is also the option of timed charging to coincide with nighttime off peak rates, which is another strategy that most of the major power supply companies don't seem to be offering... yet.

Also worth being aware that any domestic PV (or other distributed) generation not only offsets supply from hydro so in effect is stored by way of lake storage not used at times of its export to the grid, but also distributed generation as its title implies happens within the community and is therefore most likely used within its locality so not needing to utilise major transmission capacity.

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#2924029 8-Jun-2022 17:37

HarmLessSolutions: So far as 'battery' capacity is concerned this article in Stuff recently explained the rational behind the Lake Onslow pumped hydro proposal well.

ETA: and compared to a nuclear solution it probably stacks up better in terms of cost and with less potential pushback from the public.

We'll have to wait at least a month to see if the pump-hydro goes forward.

RNZ: Feasibility update on $4 billion Lake Onslow project expected next month

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#2924030 8-Jun-2022 17:45

RobDickinson:
Oh also - get your name down for an Ora cat here

https://cockramora.co.nz/

Ora Cat review: Britain's cheapest new EV

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"Welcome to The Late Brake Show Ora Cat review. This new £22k EV could be Britain's (Europe's?) cheapest electric car. This is the new affordable EV that you've probably never heard of, unless you live in China. New Chinese brand Ora exclusively make ground-up EVs and they are part of the huge GWM (Great Wall Motors) group. Jonny's walk-around was as detailed as we could make without driving the Cat.

In China cats are signs of good luck. Which is weird, given how rare and spellbinding Pangolins are. Anyway, it will be fascinating to see how an unknown brand new car company tries to break into the British and European EV market. This is the Ora Cat, known as the Good Cat in its native country."

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