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#2924838 10-Jun-2022 16:24

RobDickinson:

yeah its like 800+liters or something , plus the under floor storage and about 120l in the frunk

For some reason Tesla is incredibly coy on giving specific measurements on boot space - the large figure that is normally bandied about is filling the boot to the roof level, as opposed to the more normal window level (until recently, the Y didn't come with a cargo cover; I'm guessing that's their excuse for doing this). But, yeah, as shown in the photos I've included above, even the main boot compartment is about the largest of the 'affordable' EVs (along with the Skoda Enyaq), and when adding the under-floor space and the frunk it's fantastically well-off for storage.

Weirdly, few of the other options have a meaningful frunk if anything. I'm really looking forward to having one - even if it's just for the benefit of no more remaining curry or pizza smells!

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#2924843 10-Jun-2022 16:38

Its strange that the purpose built platforms (MEB, e-gmp etc) suck so hard on storage for some reason.

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#2924853 10-Jun-2022 17:03

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RobDickinson:

The boot is huge

I'll take you word on that. Must be the perspective as it looks very short at the rear. Looks can be deceiving.

From the photos it didn't look much different in boot size to the Model 3 which isn't big in that department.

Huge might be an over-statement, but it is respectable for sure.

I quite like the informal banana boxes test done by a prominent Europe based reviewer.

Model Y fits 9 in the boot and one in the funk. (where the model 3 fits 6+1)

So beats the likes of Kia EV6 (8+0), and 2013 nissan leaf (5+0), but still falls short of the likes of the Ioniq 5 (11+0), and Model X 5 seater (10+1).

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On the 854 litres number that Tesla quotes, this is laden to the roof, where other manufactures quote only stacking to the top of the seat backs. (you are not really meant to stack higher than the seat backs unless you have a cargo barrier, as loose items could become projectiles in a crash).

Should note that many SUV boots have annoyingly high floors. There is some regulation in the USA where vehicles can be classified as light trucks if they have a flat load area with seats folded (which allows less emissions regulation), so it seems many brand raise the boot floor to the level of the folded rear seat backs.

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#2924856 10-Jun-2022 17:11

I understand the $400 order fee can't be transferred from a Model 3 order to a Model Y - it's clearly noted as being non-refundable, so no complaints there. Does anyone have any thoughts on how best to deal with a Model 3, ordered in January with revised delivery estimate in Aug-Oct 2022, that we wouldn't need if we go for the Model Y (other than immediately sell it on delivery)? I think our total cost is about $5K less than the current price.

One new car is more than enough for us (a complete novelty, tbh). There's no way to transfer an existing order, other than by separate agreement, right?

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#2924857 10-Jun-2022 17:12

With regard to storage.

In the past (almost) three months I have probably opened the frunk of my M3 about half a dozen times (certainly less than ten). Most recently to top up the windscreen washer fluid. All the emergency equipment (puncture repair, etc) lives in there. If it had a powered lift/lower mechanism like the boot it would probably be used more. But it doesn’t at the moment and because the bonnet is built to save weight it feels really flimsy, so the less I need to touch it the better. I think Tesla are missing a trick not offering an aftermarket fitment of an auto-frunk. Possibly a habit thing as well. Not had a frunk before, so don’t think about using it.

But contrast that to the Polestar 2. It has a (tiny) frunk, but true to its ICE roots, it is opened using a traditional cable operated lever by the driver’s knee.

The MY frunk has a larger volume than the M3 I think.

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#2924869 10-Jun-2022 17:33

jbm:

I understand the $400 order fee can't be transferred from a Model 3 order to a Model Y - it's clearly noted as being non-refundable, so no complaints there. Does anyone have any thoughts on how best to deal with a Model 3, ordered in January with revised delivery estimate in Aug-Oct 2022, that we wouldn't need if we go for the Model Y (other than immediately sell it on delivery)? I think our total cost is about $5K less than the current price.

One new car is more than enough for us (a complete novelty, tbh). There's no way to transfer an existing order, other than by separate agreement, right?

As I commented in the MY thread, if you intend to claim the rebate (don’t know which M3 you have ordered), you complete a declaration that you aren’t going to sell it for three months. While the MoT might not even follow up, if too many people decide to do it, they just might. So at the very least have a good reason ready. I would suggest if there is a shiny new MY sitting in the driveway, poverty might not be a good one.

You can cancel your order until surprisingly late in the process. Probably because they will have no problem selling your car to someone else, and at the new increased price. It’s as simple as cancelling on the Tesla App order page I believe.

Even if you order the Y, I would be test driving it before I cancelled the 3.

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#2924871 10-Jun-2022 17:37

Thanks @Dingbatt - I hadn't realized that about the rebate/declaration. I suspect we'd likely end up pretty cost neutral selling a 3 month old Model 3, given how TM looks.

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#2924873 10-Jun-2022 17:50

jbm:

Thanks @Dingbatt - I hadn't realized that about the rebate/declaration. I suspect we'd likely end up pretty cost neutral selling a 3 month old Model 3, given how TM looks.

Only you know your financial situation but with the potential that the delivery schedules of the 3 and Y could coincide, possibly even arrive in the same shipment, you will need to be able to hand over $150K (less trade-in) to Tesla about a week before you get your car(s).

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#2924875 10-Jun-2022 17:54

RobDickinson:

Its strange that the purpose built platforms (MEB, e-gmp etc) suck so hard on storage for some reason.

They are not terrible.

9 banana boxes in the boot of an ID4, 10 in a Enyaq IV, 11 in Ioniq 5.

But in general I suspect the lack of an engine, and the need to package a spare tire behind the rear axle encourages a longer wheel base, and less overhangs, which means more passenger space, but less space being the back seats.

Motor near the rear axle does mean that running a low boot floor (like the Nissan leaf, MG ZS EV) isn't likely to be an option.

Also being EV's, areo performance is important which encourages roof lines that slope down at the rear, cutting into space, compared to something like a pajero with a flat roof.

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#2924903 10-Jun-2022 18:23

jbm:

I understand the $400 order fee can't be transferred from a Model 3 order to a Model Y - it's clearly noted as being non-refundable, so no complaints there. Does anyone have any thoughts on how best to deal with a Model 3, ordered in January with revised delivery estimate in Aug-Oct 2022, that we wouldn't need if we go for the Model Y (other than immediately sell it on delivery)? I think our total cost is about $5K less than the current price.

One new car is more than enough for us (a complete novelty, tbh). There's no way to transfer an existing order, other than by separate agreement, right?

I noticed that if you order an model S, it does say the $400 fee is a 'Fully Refundable Order Fee'. Although it doesn't actually list what the Model S price is on the order form, which is a bit bizarre.

I do wonder why they even have an order fee, as shouldn't that be included in the actual car price. Reminds me a bit of events companies charging booking fees.

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#2924906 10-Jun-2022 18:25

GV27:

IDK but having seen the Polestar 2 in the flesh, the Model Y design doesn't do much for me anymore.

Also conscious that may because the M3 is doing so well and I'm seeing it everywhere.

But the hoon in me wants a blue Polestar 2 with gold wheels and the hotted up performance pack.

What's Powerball this weekend?

I think the Model Y is ugly, maybe it looks better in person. There are so many Model 3s in my town, I think it is one of the most common new cars here. The Polestar IMO is nicer looking than the model 3 and Y. But I do like the look of the Model S

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#2924918 10-Jun-2022 19:08

you could ask Mercedes if they'll sell their budget 440km SUV here

https://www.carwow.co.uk/smart/news/5321/new-smart-ev-electric-eq-suv-price-specs-release-date#gref

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#2924927 10-Jun-2022 20:09

jbm:

I understand the $400 order fee can't be transferred from a Model 3 order to a Model Y - it's clearly noted as being non-refundable, so no complaints there. Does anyone have any thoughts on how best to deal with a Model 3, ordered in January with revised delivery estimate in Aug-Oct 2022, that we wouldn't need if we go for the Model Y (other than immediately sell it on delivery)? I think our total cost is about $5K less than the current price.

One new car is more than enough for us (a complete novelty, tbh). There's no way to transfer an existing order, other than by separate agreement, right?

I get that in the terms are that the $400 are non refundable, but it seems really counterproductive of Tesla to not allow the reservation to be upgraded to a more expensive model (especially where it would mean the buyer is shifted from historic to current pricing)

$5,400 is a lot of value to leave on the table.

Seems lots of cases of people selling / transferring reservations on the internet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/uclj6f/has_anyone_successfully_transferred_their_tesla/

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/reservation-transfer.243902/

Sounds like the way to do it is to give the Tesla account with the reservation to the new owner, as Tesla does not allow the reservation to be transferred between accounts.

With this in mind, if you reserve a Y, and want to keep this option open, do it with a fresh account and a different email address.

In the current market selling on delivery isn't a bad option either (assuming you can float the capital value).

The 3 month rule for the rebate, per here only applies to Registered motor vehicle traders, so my reading is you are fine to claim the rebate and resell immediately if you are not a Registered trader.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/clean-car-programme/clean-car-discount/clean-car-discount-eligibility-criteria/eligibility-criteria-for-vehicles-first-registered-from-1-april-2022/

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#2924930 10-Jun-2022 20:16

mattwnz:

I think the Model Y is ugly, maybe it looks better in person. There are so many Model 3s in my town, I think it is one of the most common new cars here. The Polestar IMO is nicer looking than the model 3 and Y. But I do like the look of the Model S

I too really like the polestar 2 styling.

Looks good when rendered as a wagon too.

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#2924931 10-Jun-2022 20:19

Scott3: Huge might be an over-statement, but it is respectable for sure. I quite like the informal banana boxes test done by a prominent Europe based reviewer. Model Y fits 9 in the boot and one in the funk. (where the model 3 fits 6+1)
So beats the likes of Kia EV6 (8+0), and 2013 nissan leaf (5+0), but still falls short of the likes of the Ioniq 5 (11+0), and Model X 5 seater (10+1).

Yeah, I’ve watched many of Bjorn’s BB tests, and agree they provide a useful idea of capacity, but it can be misleading and will not always translate into real-world usage.

The Ioniq 5 is a perfect example: its back seats can be moved forward by a decent amount, as well as the seat back angle adjusted. The BB test takes advantage of both (see this at 3:30 at https://youtu.be/_w6KVqAnjog), meaning the rear seats are pretty much made unusable for anything other than small people for short journeys. That’s no use for a family like ours, which needs decent leg space in the rear for teenage boys. As such, the 11 boxes in the boot means nothing in relation to what we can fit in the boot when going on holiday - the critical measure for us!

TBH, I was somewhat surprised at the size of the Ioniq 5’s boot when I took one for a testdrive - didn’t think it was anything to write home about; not too different to that of my Mazda 6 wagon.

The other aspect is that a banana box is a fairly large (and therefore crude) unit; while it has close relevance to packing large and similarly sized objects (eg suitcases), in reality most loads are full of a variety of different sized objects, some of which may be poked into weird shapes and spaces.

Anyway, even without seeing the Y in the flesh I’m pretty convinced it’s going to give me a much more usable and flexible space for packing than the Hyundai or my current car. (It’s also going to be much more fun - even if a harder ride - than the Hyundai, which I found quite pedestrian, especially for an EV.)

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