Delphinus:

 

Maybe to coincide with trademes no success fee deal going today?

 

thought that excluded vehicles?

trying to embed a tiktok ... hmm let me see ...

https://www.tiktok.com/@suthocam/video/7107142394646252802

Data likely shows Teslas on Autopilot crash more than rivals

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/300613502/data-likely-shows-teslas-on-autopilot-crash-more-than-rivals

The data yet to be officially released so above potentially speculative? 

But if so, perhaps because some drivers have or develop too much faith in the Autopilot system? 

Then again, from the article:

Raj Rajkumar, an electrical and computer engineering professor at Carnegie Mellon University who studies automated vehicles, said he wouldn’t be surprised if Tesla was found to have had a high number of crashes involving its driver-assist systems. Tesla, based in Austin, Texas, stopped using radar in its system and instead relies solely on cameras and computers – a system that Rajkumar calls “inherently unsafe.” 

The system's computer, he said, can recognise only what’s in its memory. Flashing lights on an emergency vehicle, Rajkumar said, might confuse the system, as would anything that the computer hasn’t seen before.

I wonder how deep they have actually dug into other cars crashing on cruse/ACC because most of them wont have a clue what the driver was doing.

You would also have to adjust to crashes per driven mile, as I suspect Autopilot is used a lot more than most ACC systems as it can cope with a much wider range of situations. 

If you have actually used Autopilot you know this is absolute bollox

Up until the next shipment, all Tesla's in NZ still have radar. Tesla isn't the only one to use only cameras for its driver-assist systems, Subaru also uses only cameras and has done so for a number of years. Tesla has also added specific behaviour to Autopilot in the US for when it sees a stopped emergency vehicle. Here's a video of it in action

While we're a small market, I think it should also be noted that I haven't seen any reports here in New Zealand of Autopilot being involved in a crash

DS248:

 

But if so, perhaps because some drivers have or develop too much faith in the Autopilot system? 

 

Almost certainly this is a high factor, and that's largely down to Musk's hype. I barely trust it enough to move my foot away from the brake pedal, but you invariably see these idiots that crash their Teslas were eating a bowl of cereal in the back seat or something equally Darwinian. It's lane-keeping plus some "maybe it'll stop if you fail to notice it" features. But it's nowhere near the 'full self driving' that Musk says it is every other month.

If you treat it like it is, you're going to crash. If you treat it as something that relieves your workload a bit, you're probably going to be OK.

Obraik:

Up until the next shipment, all Tesla's in NZ still have radar.

SaltyNZ:

 

But it's nowhere near the 'full self driving' that Musk says it is every other month.

 

Its not FSD, its never been promoted as FSD, FSD is an entirely different thing, every tesla owner and driver knows this.

jonathan18:
@Obraik: I had been wondering about this in relation to my own order: I take it that means no MY sold in NZ will have radar?

Vision will be better anyhow, and they'll switch us all over to vision one day 

RobDickinson:

 

Its not FSD, its never been promoted as FSD, FSD is an entirely different thing, every tesla owner and driver knows this.

 

Yeah, you say that, but ...

If people want to stubbornly misrepresent what products do what I cant help it.  I wont be party to that bs tho.

RobDickinson:

 

Its not FSD, its never been promoted as FSD, FSD is an entirely different thing, every tesla owner and driver knows this.

 

I agree that it is not FSD, but I think it is wrong to say it has never been promoted as such. Below is from the model Y order page today. FSD in bold as a heading.

Yes I know there is fine print below...

RobDickinson:

 

SaltyNZ:

 

But it's nowhere near the 'full self driving' that Musk says it is every other month.

 

 

 

 

Its not FSD, its never been promoted as FSD, FSD is an entirely different thing, every tesla owner and driver knows this.

 

As has been mentioned it has been promoted as FSD. You know it's not truly FSD and so might a lot of Tesla drivers BUT I doubt very Tesla driver knows it. The Tesla "self drive" system is well regarded in the automotive world and has set a very high standard but that doesn't stop stupid people doing stupid things. I suspect the hype around the Tesla system has encouraged a greater number of idiots than normal to rely on the Tesla self drive system and use it in inappropriate conditions.

Unfortunately you cannot help stupid and these people exist in every sphere of society. 

There's the well known law suit where a RV owner in the US engaged a bog standard cruise control which had been branded as an "autopilot" got out of the seat to go back and brew a cuppa. No surprise there was an accident, and killing his wife I think. He successfully sued the manufacturer.

Obraik:

 

Up until the next shipment, all Tesla's in NZ still have radar.

That’s interesting. I assumed that my M3 that was built in Shanghai in January was a camera only one. Is there any way to tell by looking at it?

Edit: Had two instances of phantom braking on the motorway today. One by a truck in the adjacent lane and one by an overpass shadow (my assumptions on the cause).

Scott3:

 

RobDickinson:

 

Its not FSD, its never been promoted as FSD, FSD is an entirely different thing, every tesla owner and driver knows this.

 

 

 

 

I agree that it is not FSD, but I think it is wrong to say it has never been promoted as such. Below is from the model Y order page today. FSD in bold as a heading.

Yes I know there is fine print below...

 

 

 

 

 

 

The FSD package does all the things listed that it says it currently does?