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#3211269 26-Mar-2024 16:50

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johno1234:

Yep, if they didn't need the car as well, to cover all the things you can't do with a bike or e-bike, then that $5k e-bike might be affordable. But if you need to get across the suburb with your shopping, take the kids to sport or the beach or holiday, or tow a trailer or you know, most thinks kiwi families need to do, you still need cars.

I don't drive anymore. I gave up driving for safety of others yet I can get across town to go to my specialist appointments, get across town to do shopping or visit friends. Travel into Poneke just for the hell of it.

That's good - you've displayed the unique human ability to adapt to just about anything that is thrown your way.

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#3211328 26-Mar-2024 17:27

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But can afford a $10,000 $20,000 $40,000 car??????

You seem to have be having a comprehension issue.

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#3211331 26-Mar-2024 17:31

networkn:

johno1234:

This is true. However the other issues remain so still need a car to commute.

Not to mention, E-Bikes aren't exactly cheap. Quite a large percentage of the population couldn't afford one, nor the maintenance of one, esp since, it's unlikely a lot of people in NZ could do away with a car as a result of owning an E-Bike.

I feel that if many cyclists and those advocating for more cyclist centric resources, were less extreme in the delivery of their message, the message would get more traction.

$3 a litre and 20 something bucks a day for parking will soon justify an e-bike.

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#3211332 26-Mar-2024 17:33

MikeB4:

The WRC is considering charging a parking fee for the park and ride car parks around Te Whanganui-a-Tara. This may well prompt more to ride bikes or their cars, I believe it to be a poor decision if it is made. A better idea I believe as a long term ingredient to ease congestion is for government departments to decentralise their head offices out of the city. This could also prompt private enterprise to decentralise out of CBDs. This could have a two fold benefit of reducing congestion and pollution in the cities, free up car parking and help vitalise regional Aotearoa.

We authored this problem when we promoted the ideal of centralising employment and housing the work force in dormitory suburbs some distance from that employment. The answer, move employment closer to work force or to regional towns where there is not a shortage of land to provide sensible and sustainable housing.

I understand that a lot of the motivation for this was people parking at the Park and Ride and not using the trains ie Petone; just parking up and going to work. However, as someone who lives in the Wairarapa, this is just a joke. Apart from Featherston, none of the stations are anywhere near town centres or industry. Will be interesting to see what goes out for consultation.

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#3211333 26-Mar-2024 17:33

Rikkitic:

I haven't had the cycle experience here that you describe. Maybe it is localised.

Next time you come to Wellington, try walking around Oriental Parade on a busy day. You'll see pedestrians and cyclists ducking and dodging each other, and I occasionally even see them abusing each other when near misses occur. My friend and I have had to stop walking her dogs there because it's just not safe for them.

As a keen runner and swimmer I really like the idea of doing a triathlon, but I've avoided learning to ride a bicycle as I don't want to get caught up in the politics. For now I'll focus on my swimming technique, which admittedly needs some work.

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#3211334 26-Mar-2024 17:34

From a Social Psychology point of view I'm going to follow this "Discussion" just to see where it ends up, or descends to. 🤔

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#3211355 26-Mar-2024 18:01

networkn:

You seem to have be having a comprehension issue.

Why the insult?

you wrote "Not to mention, E-Bikes aren't exactly cheap. Quite a large percentage of the population couldn't afford one, nor the maintenance of one, esp since, it's unlikely a lot of people in NZ could do away with a car as a result of owning an E-Bike."

What have I not comprehended?

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#3211359 26-Mar-2024 18:20

elpenguino:

$3 a litre and 20 something bucks a day for parking will soon justify an e-bike.

I find if I'm going somewhere that charges $20 a day then it's probably in the CBD and I can use PT to get there efficiently. Having said that, recently spent a week in town at a conference in Wyndham St and the early bird parking was $12.

But most of my work is no longer in the CBD and has free parking these days. I'm more likely to be heading to East Tamaki, Penrose and the like. Diesel I get for about $2.10 but there's RUC on top.

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#3211360 26-Mar-2024 18:28

@Earbanean:

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@Earbanean:

In terms of banal threads, this is right up in podium level dumbness. When a thread is kicked off from the word go, with stated goals of pissing people off, my immediate thought is do people not have jobs or absolutely anything better to do. Where do you get the time for this nonsense? Are you guys all retired, or unemployed, or recovering from surgery in hospital or something?

Perhaps out of five million people there are quite a few in those conditions?

How is that impacting you? You are free to not read the thread, for example.

Apologies. My post wasn't meant to have a go at anyone in those categories. It was meant to express a little bit of exasperation at threads/posts with stated goals of pissing people off. Clearly I didn't make my point well.

Posting my opinion in this thread in no way puts me in the "too much time in your hands" bucket you created there. Even though I spent three months in and out of a hospital, recovering from three surgeries and one infection. But that was done nine months ago. I am back to being a productive member of society, working, spending, etc.

In fact no one should be put in that bucket.

Not everyone has to agree with you. And you are welcome to disagree but your post was attacking the people, not the arguments, a bad breach of FUG (I've reset the FUG for you so you can familiarise yourself with it again).

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#3211367 26-Mar-2024 19:33

mudguard:

I presume most of this is half in jest.

Not at all

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Lack of contribution to infrastructure. I like to mountain-bike. I also drive between 40-50,000kms per year. There's my contribution (and wear and tear).

ACC. Motorbikes get reamed by this. $400 per year for a 50cc scooter. $411 61cc-600cc, $525 for big bikes (600cc and up). If they want to apply ACC risk to activities then please apply to ski lift passes, rugby club annual subscriptions and so on.

Electric bikes are coming and currently avoid rego.

Could you imagine the logistics of your licensing point? WOF, Rego, Licence? I have seven mountain bikes, my partner has two plus a road bike. When a five year old kid gets their first bike, how much is your rego fee going to be? Chuck in some mandatory insurance and so on.

Personally I hate riding on the road. NZ has had one hundred years of car focus, it's not changing any time soon. Public transport is an extremely issue and will continue to be while we keep building further and further out.

$5L per litre will probably sort it.

If ACC risk pricing exists, then yes, I am 100% in favour of making skiing, sport, etc ridiculously expensive to cover the injury bill. Right now motorcyclists are the only group targeted and that's ragingly unfair. Everyone, or noone, equality for all.

As you note, motorbikes get reamed by ACC because of the risk and they have to pay that huge rego per bike they want to ride on the road.. but you don't have to register a vehicle or have a driver's license if you don't use it on the road. Cyclists should also be licensed and have to pay per bike if they want to use them on the road. You wanna mountain bike? Cool, go nuts, but transport the bike there and back with your car and only ride it offroad, or cough up.

Electric motorbikes have been here for ages.. I was looking at buying one back in around 2017-2018 and there were options, but they were all either stupidly low range or stupidly expensive.

$5/L is irrelevant because while electric cars are going to gradually replace ICE ones, people will always still want access to a weatherproof vehicle capable of transporting small groups of people and small amounts of cargo and going wherever they please whenever they want. The "car" isn't going anywhere, just the propulsion technology. Public transport, short of a nationwide network of autonomous cars, is never going to fulfil that space. This is why the car is king, and will always be king.

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#3211368 26-Mar-2024 19:40

MikeB4:

The WRC is considering charging a parking fee for the park and ride car parks around Te Whanganui-a-Tara. This may well prompt more to ride bikes or their cars, I believe it to be a poor decision if it is made. A better idea I believe as a long term ingredient to ease congestion is for government departments to decentralise their head offices out of the city. This could also prompt private enterprise to decentralise out of CBDs. This could have a two fold benefit of reducing congestion and pollution in the cities, free up car parking and help vitalise regional Aotearoa.

We authored this problem when we promoted the ideal of centralising employment and housing the work force in dormitory suburbs some distance from that employment. The answer, move employment closer to work force or to regional towns where there is not a shortage of land to provide sensible and sustainable housing.

I agree paid Park n Ride would be a terrible idea. I fully support the idea of decentralizing but honestly good luck with that ever happening. Most public servants are forced to work in the office 2-3 days a week minimum even when their jobs are 100% able to be done remotely.

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#3211370 26-Mar-2024 19:45

There are people who believe it is their right to travel at the speed limit or slightly above regardless of the road conditions or any other thing all the time. Anything getting in their way for a short time causes those people to lose their nut. Those people are a minority and responsible for a lot of aggro and tension on the road.

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#3211393 26-Mar-2024 20:13

Lias:

As you note, motorbikes get reamed by ACC because of the risk and they have to pay that huge rego per bike they want to ride on the road.. but you don't have to register a vehicle or have a driver's license if you don't use it on the road. Cyclists should also be licensed and have to pay per bike if they want to use them on the road. You wanna mountain bike? Cool, go nuts, but transport the bike there and back with your car and only ride it offroad, or cough up.

Fair enough. Just calculate the impact the cyclist has on the roadway like the do for vehicles. To be completely fair we ought to stretch that out to footpaths. Footpath users can pay for it's creation and subsequent maintenance. And of course be registered and licensed as well. I mean why should they get a free ride? Just bring the roadway all the way out, can probably get in another lane!

In fact looking at ACC claims for last year, pedestrians were right up there, what a menace!!

Claims

18,995 Car

4477 Motorcycle

2484 Pedestrian

1775 Cycling

956 Bus

And the real ACC dodger,

Other 6426

Think of all the extra ACC we should be charging!

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#3211452 26-Mar-2024 20:27

gzt: There are people who believe it is their right to travel at the speed limit or slightly above regardless of the road conditions or any other thing all the time. Anything getting in their way for a short time causes those people to lose their nut. Those people are a minority and responsible for a lot of aggro and tension on the road.

As do people who lack the confidence and/or skill to drive at the legal speed limit regardless of conditions, not being predictable.

I'd rather share the road with a competent and confident (note, I didn't say over confident) driver doing 105-110 in a 100 zone, than someone doing 80 in a 100 zone because they are scared of everything happening around them, who brakes erratically because they can't judge distances etc.

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#3211453 26-Mar-2024 20:30

elpenguino:

$3 a litre and 20 something bucks a day for parking will soon justify an e-bike.

I'll let you explain the economics of it to people in South Auckland.

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