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#2951984 8-Aug-2022 10:54

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First images of Nissan Ariya in the wild turning in japan are turning up on the internet.

Fairly significant as it means they will start turning up in NZ in low volumes fairly soon as grey market imports of near new cars, and in fairly high volumes in 3 - 5 years as people in japan upgrade, and they the used cars get sent to the auctions.

One has already been imported to NZ from the UK

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#2952005 8-Aug-2022 11:38

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Same, no, similar yes.

but then again look at the current range of sedans, all very unique. SUV's getting more similar.

There are very few sedans now, its all hatches and they all look like a granny slipper shape. Cant tell a fit from a yaris without looking at the branding.

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#2952008 8-Aug-2022 11:47

richms: There are very few sedans now, its all hatches and they all look like a granny slipper shape. Cant tell a fit from a yaris without looking at the branding.

That said, the Model 3 is a sedan; and the forthcoming Atto 4 (supposedly designed to directly compete with the 3) is as well. Sure, much more slippery designs than sedans of days gone by, but still sedans.

My frustration is, with the popularity of SUVs, that trend has been followed in the EV world - resulting in cars like the Model Y and EV 6 that have sharply raked rear ends that eat into boot space. I’d be far happier with a station wagon design as an alternative, which (given the less brick-like front end) would hopefully mean less need to eek out every bit of slipperiness at the rear…

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#2952059 8-Aug-2022 11:57

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That said, the Model 3 is a sedan; and the forthcoming Atto 4 (supposedly designed to directly compete with the 3) is as well. Sure, much more slippery designs than sedans of days gone by, but still sedans.

My frustration is, with the popularity of SUVs, that trend has been followed in the EV world - resulting in cars like the Model Y and EV 6 that have sharply raked rear ends that eat into boot space. I’d be far happier with a station wagon design as an alternative, which (given the less brick-like front end) would hopefully mean less need to eek out every bit of slipperiness at the rear…

That's why the 3 is better than the leaf for IMO. Just gotta get a set of those locks to stop it from folding from inside the car to keep things safe.

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#2952061 8-Aug-2022 12:01

richms: Just gotta get a set of those locks to stop it from folding from inside the car to keep things safe.

Unaware of this issue - can you please expand a bit? Ta!

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#2952066 8-Aug-2022 12:12

jonathan18:
richms: Just gotta get a set of those locks to stop it from folding from inside the car to keep things safe.

Unaware of this issue - can you please expand a bit? Ta!

The teslas seats can be folded from the inside by default, with the handle where it can be easily flipped by smashing the small easy and quiet to smash window, and they don't give you places to secure it inside the boot, someone has made an aftermarket set of things to jam into the releases to prevent the seats from being folded down.

I don't know how good it is since most of the sales reps I know have a Camry or corolla which the insurance are quite happy with how secure the boot is. All I know is that the current absurd numbers of hatches and SUVs for rental cars makes salespeoples car rental a nightmare when flying to do a selling trip.

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#2952067 8-Aug-2022 12:24

jonathan18:
richms: Just gotta get a set of those locks to stop it from folding from inside the car to keep things safe.

Unaware of this issue - can you please expand a bit? Ta!

One of the major selling points of a true sedan, is a boot that is separate and secure from the passenger cabin.

Sedan's like the Camry have the rear seat releases (to allow folding forward), mounted inside the boot, and the boot lid itself is released electronically (rather than a cable).

Assume the model 3 has some means to lock out the ability to fold the seats forward for added cargo security (primary buttons to fold them down must be in the passenger area, that could be accessed by breaking windows). [edit] - I see this is an aftermarket modification.

Net result is that a thief cannot gain access to the boot simply by breaking a window. As opposed to a liftback / hatchback / SUV / wagon.

Quite nice feature. When I rent a car for a roadtrip out of town, I always try to get a sedan or coupe with a separate boot.

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#2952237 8-Aug-2022 19:03

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#2952429 9-Aug-2022 11:46

New MG4 hatchback EV starting price in UK to be £25,995, so possibly around $50k here? Available in UK from September (supposedly first half of next year here). Competition with BYD may keep price down?

https://www.engadget.com/mgs-new-all-electric-crossover-will-start-at-just-25995-075537527.html

Near the bottom of the article, I see UK eliminated its EV rebate incentive in June. Announced "effective immediately". A portent of potential for sudden & early demise here?

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#2952441 9-Aug-2022 12:03

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Near the bottom of the article, I see UK eliminated its EV rebate incentive in June. Announced "effective immediately". A portent of potential for sudden & early demise here?

The UK's conservative government won't be driven by a need to address emissions (ignore what they say. Watch what they do). Especially now they are out of the EU where they were bound by EU climate change policy.

But at the same time, "EV": sales are now over 20% of all new cars. BEV sales are 14.1% of all new cars. Maybe they just think the prices are now low enough and the savings to car owners large enough that they can now sell themselves and don't require incentives.

I guess the Tories aren't in a huge hurry.

We would see the same here if National were the government. They've already promised to repeal the Clean Car scheme. They'll take us back to the days when NZ has an awesome plan to reduce emissions but it will always be "too soon" to lift a finger.

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#2952475 9-Aug-2022 13:36

kingdragonfly: "Son, how in the "H" "E" double hockey sticks did ya think ya'd outrun me."

Unless I'm missing something, he did outrun the cop. Is there a part 2?

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#2952499 9-Aug-2022 14:50

Linuxluver:
DS248:
Near the bottom of the article, I see UK eliminated its EV rebate incentive in June. Announced "effective immediately". A portent of potential for sudden & early demise here?

The UK's conservative government won't be driven by a need to address emissions (ignore what they say. Watch what they do). Especially now they are out of the EU where they were bound by EU climate change policy.

But at the same time, "EV": sales are now over 20% of all new cars. BEV sales are 14.1% of all new cars. Maybe they just think the prices are now low enough and the savings to car owners large enough that they can now sell themselves and don't require incentives.

I guess the Tories aren't in a huge hurry.

We would see the same here if National were the government. They've already promised to repeal the Clean Car scheme. They'll take us back to the days when NZ has an awesome plan to reduce emissions but it will always be "too soon" to lift a finger.

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#2952505 9-Aug-2022 15:02

Interesting submission process on smart EV charger regulation currently out for comment.

https://www.eeca.govt.nz/about/news-and-corporate/news/eeca-launches-discussion-on-the-need-for-new-home-ev-charger-technology-to-support-growing-ev-uptake/

A quick read through seems to indicate that the stick of regulation is being suggested over any carrot of incentivising PV which IMO could have just as significant a benefit on the increased grid load to come from rising EV numbers. Looking after the big boys first and foremost?

https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/

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#2952571 9-Aug-2022 16:08

HarmLessSolutions:

Interesting submission process on smart EV charger regulation currently out for comment.

https://www.eeca.govt.nz/about/news-and-corporate/news/eeca-launches-discussion-on-the-need-for-new-home-ev-charger-technology-to-support-growing-ev-uptake/

A quick read through seems to indicate that the stick of regulation is being suggested over any carrot of incentivising PV which IMO could have just as significant a benefit on the increased grid load to come from rising EV numbers. Looking after the big boys first and foremost?

Interesting. It might be another place where I can suggest that 3phase metering system should be aligned to the rest of the world, in order to incentivise PV, EV and battery storage uptake, as well as aiding in phase balancing and enabling faster EV charging (i.e getting more charging done in a limited off-peak window)

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#2952626 9-Aug-2022 16:42

HarmLessSolutions:

Interesting submission process on smart EV charger regulation currently out for comment.

https://www.eeca.govt.nz/about/news-and-corporate/news/eeca-launches-discussion-on-the-need-for-new-home-ev-charger-technology-to-support-growing-ev-uptake/

A quick read through seems to indicate that the stick of regulation is being suggested over any carrot of incentivising PV which IMO could have just as significant a benefit on the increased grid load to come from rising EV numbers. Looking after the big boys first and foremost?

Regulators are gonna regulate, and impose additional costs on to consumers

Reading though the document and the references supplied its quite clear that EECA want to require home wall chargers,

e.g socket charging "can present safety and accessibility issues, particularly within older homes"

also some references of

"Key points from Worksafe’s EV charging safety guidelines − It is not permitted to install a socket-outlet with the intention to provide Mode 1 charging for an electric vehicle."

The power sector will submit that wall chargers are needed to save us from peak overloads and blackout, the efficiency crowd will submit that wall charges are more efficient and will keep bills down, and the poor old consumer will be the one getting stuck with the result...

Some could argue if it saves the power grid from failing then perhaps the power generators and network operators might want to chip in some $$$, but I doubt that will ever happen

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