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#3043756 1-Mar-2023 19:43

Read interesting article today, cows vs cars. CO2 lasts a long time, methane lasts a short time. So while we clearly need to reduce CO2, i.e. ICE, cows, i.e milk and beef not so much

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#3043761 1-Mar-2023 21:06

tdgeek: Read interesting article today, cows vs cars. CO2 lasts a long time, methane lasts a short time. So while we clearly need to reduce CO2, i.e. ICE, cows, i.e milk and beef not so much

Massively off topic, but given that methane traps 80-100 times more heat than CO2 we need to very much reduce it. Especially as the methane outputs are not one offs and are, if anything, increasing.

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#3043795 2-Mar-2023 05:59

Dratsab:

Massively off topic,

Yup.

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#3043796 2-Mar-2023 06:31

exador:

You want sick? Lancia are set to reinvent themselves as an EV-only brand. How about an electric Delta Integrale?

Someone has built an electric Integrale rallycross space frame and shell, but if I'm going to throw everything I have at this it needs to be boxy, small, AWD and most importantly: four doors.

I will buy at least one of these if it happens, but I'll also point out that it's about the 65,541,514th Integrale/Lancia ressurection rumour I've heard, sadly.

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#3043797 2-Mar-2023 06:45

Although I will point out that there is a stonkingly huge market for men my age priced out of the JDM classic markets who would absolutely rip their own arm off for an electric ST205 Celica, an R32 GTR, a V1/V2/V3 STI Impreza or any of the other group A hero cars that are now worth moon-booms in unmolested form. Even the GTOs and 300ZX would be excellent retro-classic offerings.

Electric JDM cars with the same performance capabilities as the track heros that made them famous would be an excellent beach-head for Japanese legacy manufacturers who want to gain a foothold or promote their electric offerings once they actually get around to figuring out if they want to even make them or not. I mean, I would almost instantly kill myself at the helm of one (ambition exceeds talent even in the basic roadcar versions for me, sadly) but man, what a way to go!

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#3043866 2-Mar-2023 12:01

Tesla Investor Day a damp squib. Lots of talk about how to build future cars more efficiently and cheaper but no product announcements...😒

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#3043868 2-Mar-2023 12:15

GV27:

Although I will point out that there is a stonkingly huge market for men my age priced out of the JDM classic markets who would absolutely rip their own arm off for an electric ST205 Celica, an R32 GTR, a V1/V2/V3 STI Impreza or any of the other group A hero cars that are now worth moon-booms in unmolested form. Even the GTOs and 300ZX would be excellent retro-classic offerings.

Electric JDM cars with the same performance capabilities as the track heros that made them famous would be an excellent beach-head for Japanese legacy manufacturers who want to gain a foothold or promote their electric offerings once they actually get around to figuring out if they want to even make them or not. I mean, I would almost instantly kill myself at the helm of one (ambition exceeds talent even in the basic roadcar versions for me, sadly) but man, what a way to go!

I've often said that if I win Lotto - which I would have to start entering first - I'd buy a brand new WRX Sti with a manual transmission, rip out the ICE and electrify it (keeping the manual transmission). That way I can put it in 4th and forget about it when I just want to go somewhere, and use the gears when I feel like shredding some tires.

I suspect anyone who bought an actual group A hero car and did that to it would have the remaining small pieces of their bodies scattered to the four corners of the earth by the rampaging mob.

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#3043874 2-Mar-2023 13:04

Great to see another EV option under the $80k threshold (well, for as long as that remains a thing!) - I see Hyundai has announced the base model of the Ioniq 6 will be priced at $79,990.

Noting my earlier comments re the relatively low power of the base Enyaq at 150kW, the base Ioniq 6 comes with 111kW! (More excusable given the price point, but it seems to be heavier than a Model Y RWD at 1908kg.) I've seen a 0-100 time of 8.8 seconds, unsurprisingly. Has a relatively small 53 kWh battery but a claimed 429km range, no doubt in part due to a pretty slippery shape.

https://www.autocar.co.nz/hyundai-ioniq-6-priced-for-new-zealand/

Hyundai Ioniq 6 front three quarter view in city

Again, not a car I'd personally want to buy - maybe it looks better IRL, but can't say I'm sold yet - but the increasing choice of cars eligible for a rebate is a great thing.

Speaking of which, Stuff has an updated rundown of all models <$80k (pity there'll be no Tesla M2 in there!): https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/131368215/every-new-ev-under-80k-for-2023-so-far

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#3043875 2-Mar-2023 13:08

GV27:
Although I will point out that there is a stonkingly huge market for men my age priced out of the JDM classic markets who would absolutely rip their own arm off for an electric ST205 Celica, an R32 GTR, a V1/V2/V3 STI Impreza or any of the other group A hero cars that are now worth moon-booms in unmolested form. Even the GTOs and 300ZX would be excellent retro-classic offerings.

Electric JDM cars with the same performance capabilities as the track heros that made them famous would be an excellent beach-head for Japanese legacy manufacturers who want to gain a foothold or promote their electric offerings once they actually get around to figuring out if they want to even make them or not. I mean, I would almost instantly kill myself at the helm of one (ambition exceeds talent even in the basic roadcar versions for me, sadly) but man, what a way to go!

A bit of this is driven from some of these cars being able to be sold/driven in the USA under the classics classification.

Silverstone Auctions in the UK had a Classic and Retro auction over the weekend just past. Some went for good money

1992 Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione sold for GBP 35,437

1998 Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R V-spec sold for GBP 63,000

1993 Lancia HF Integrale Evo II - offered directly from Rowan Atkinson CBE sold for GBP 87,750

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#3043882 2-Mar-2023 13:33

jonathan18:

Speaking of which, Stuff has an updated rundown of all models <$80k (pity there'll be no Tesla M2 in there!): https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/131368215/every-new-ev-under-80k-for-2023-so-far

it says Model 3 is 50kwH 150kw/350nm where as model Y is 60kwh 220kw and 442nm

is the discrepancy that big? that's news to me, i thought they had the same motor and battery

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#3043884 2-Mar-2023 13:44

exador:

Tesla Investor Day a damp squib. Lots of talk about how to build future cars more efficiently and cheaper but no product announcements...😒

what does Twitter say?

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#3043893 2-Mar-2023 13:47

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jonathan18:

Speaking of which, Stuff has an updated rundown of all models <$80k (pity there'll be no Tesla M2 in there!): https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/131368215/every-new-ev-under-80k-for-2023-so-far

it says Model 3 is 50kwH 150kw/350nm where as model Y is 60kwh 220kw and 442nm

is the discrepancy that big? that's news to me, i thought they had the same motor and battery

Yeah, I believed that was the case too, which is consistent with the Y being slower than the 3 (not what you'd expect if Stuff's figures were correct, even with the extra weight and worse aerodynamics). It's not helped by Tesla being typically cagy about actual specifications. I'm sure someone else can confirm the state of play.

Actually, kinda stupid that Stuff has combined the Y and 3 into the same listing as there are enough differences for them to be treated separately.

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#3043946 2-Mar-2023 14:11

SaltyNZ:

buy a brand new WRX Sti with a manual transmission, rip out the ICE and electrify it (keeping the manual transmission). That way I can put it in 4th and forget about it when I just want to go somewhere, and use the gears when I feel like shredding some tires.

You need a gearbox in an ICE because at low RPMs the engine doesn't produce much torque, and at very high RPM the valves bounce and other bad things happen. So an ICE needs to be between maybe 2000 and 6000RPM to produce enough power to be practical. This is why you have a tacho in a car. A WRX STi has max torque at 4000 and max power at 6000. In top gear, if you're at (say) 3,000RPM at 100kph, then you're at 300RPM at 10kph. At 300RPM in top gear, you have almost no power or torque, so won't accelerate and may even stall.

None of this applies to electric motors. They have the same (large) amount of torque from zero to 3000RPM, above which it drops off a bit. So in a BEV you can shred your tyres all the way up to 3,000RPM, and hole-shot any WRX STi.

https://theconversation.com/heres-why-electric-cars-have-plenty-of-grunt-oomph-and-torque-115356

https://www.drivingelectric.com/your-questions-answered/95/do-electric-cars-have-gearboxes

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#3043949 2-Mar-2023 14:16

frankv:

None of this applies to electric motors. They have the same (large) amount of torque from zero to 3000RPM, above which it drops off a bit.

Yes, that's why I said normally I'd just leave it in 4th gear, which is 1:1 ratio. :-)

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#3043966 2-Mar-2023 15:24

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jonathan18:

Speaking of which, Stuff has an updated rundown of all models <$80k (pity there'll be no Tesla M2 in there!): https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/131368215/every-new-ev-under-80k-for-2023-so-far

it says Model 3 is 50kwH 150kw/350nm where as model Y is 60kwh 220kw and 442nm

is the discrepancy that big? that's news to me, i thought they had the same motor and battery

My understanding was both the RWD versions of the 3 and Y had 60kWh (58 usable) battery. This seems to be borne out in my M3 when looking at charge amount vs battery percentage.

I have to SMH at Stuff’s reporting, when they have an article for EVs under $80K and then proceed to give specs for the long range and/or dual motor variants which are all well north of $80K.

@Batman Your figures had me confused for a start. I eventually worked out you were referring to Newton Metres (Nm) rather than Nautical Miles (nm). I was prepared to be impressed by getting 350nm of range out of a 50kWh battery (although the ‘nautical’ bit may not be that good for the battery😁).

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