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#3057720 1-Apr-2023 18:01

FB says 55k for MG4 50kWh non LFP

not sure if accurate

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#3057745 1-Apr-2023 20:55

Batman:
FB says 55k for MG4 50kWh non LFP

not sure if accurate

That pricing doesn't make sense here, in other regions it's cheaper than the zs. In the UK as an example it's £26995 while the zs is £30495. With the zs here being $49990 it doesn't make any sense to price it higher than that as everyone would just buy the bigger model instead. Based on that market and the 10% difference in pricing I'd imagine we should see $45k as the target price so it's cheaper than the larger ZS. Smaller cars can sell for more than bigger ones but MG have clearly shown in other markets the mg4 is meant to be below the zs in its lineup.

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#3057773 2-Apr-2023 07:11

hard to know as yesterday was 1 april

nothing on MG website

google says A source close to MG Motor NZ has confirmed a recommended retail price $54,990 NZD, plus on-road costs (ORC). The MG4 will be eligible for the $8,625 Clean Car Discount, meaning the net price of $46,340 before on roads.

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#3057858 2-Apr-2023 15:48

I'd still go for the Atto because the glass sun roof makes the back seat much more open plus roof rails and official tow bar.

I sat in both at Fully charged in Sydney.

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#3059888 6-Apr-2023 18:22

Batman:
FB says 55k for MG4 50kWh non LFP

not sure if accurate

Well I poo poo'd the price but it is apparently going to be this price, but that's for the larger 64kWh essence model. I thought they'd want to hit the market as the lowest price ev but have opted to only offer the bigger battery model for now.

Pre orders open up on Tuesday.

https://www.autocar.co.nz/mg4-priced-for-new-zealand-orders-open-soon/

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#3060004 7-Apr-2023 08:39

I called into my local MG dealer yesterday, and they were saying they haven’t received the final specs and pricing, and think that the distributors are sounding out the market before confirming these. Could still come out with the smaller battery at a price below $50k. Same point made here:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/131717580/mgs-latest-ev-news-leaves-more-questions-than-answers

Also took a look at the Ora Good Cat - it’s pretty cute but is also pretty compact; especially the boot, which also has a really high lip (a la Leaf). The MG4 is probably more suitable for our second car, what with teenagers in the back, but still look to give the Good Cat a test drive at some point.

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#3060107 7-Apr-2023 12:48

The MG4 has really great reviews overseas and if that 64kwh/435km range for $54,990, then that's going to be pretty good value.

In my mind, the only negative is that the battery is not LFP. The smaller capacity one seems to be.

Everything I have read seems to indicate that LFP is preferable:

Generally longer life

Doesnt care much about being drained to zero or repeatedly charged to 100%

Longer life cycle

Less chance of thermal 'runaway'

I expect if that price/range is true then it will sell extremely well. If they bring in a smaller battery/cheaper one they wont be able to supply enough!

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#3060122 7-Apr-2023 14:39

robjg63:

The MG4 has really great reviews overseas and if that 64kwh/435km range for $54,990, then that's going to be pretty good value.

In my mind, the only negative is that the battery is not LFP. The smaller capacity one seems to be.

Everything I have read seems to indicate that LFP is preferable:

Generally longer life

Doesnt care much about being drained to zero or repeatedly charged to 100%

Longer life cycle

Less chance of thermal 'runaway'

I expect if that price/range is true then it will sell extremely well. If they bring in a smaller battery/cheaper one they wont be able to supply enough!

LFP is quite new, I'd love to see degradation say 5-8 years down the line VS the standard one

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#3060127 7-Apr-2023 14:50

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LFP is quite new, I'd love to see degradation say 5-8 years down the line VS the standard one

I gather the reason it is increasingly common is that the patents expired in 2022 - so not that new.

But they have recently managed to improve the efficiency to be comparable in capacity to the other battery chemistries out there.

You are right in that only time will really tell with the life of any batteries - but it does appear that LFP is very durable.

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#3061652 11-Apr-2023 20:55

I'd factor V2L into the purchase equation, it's so handy.

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#3061839 12-Apr-2023 12:34

lmnop: I'd factor V2L into the purchase equation, it's so handy.

I'm looking around to get a V2L adaptor for my MG. I have immediate uses for it at the front of my property which is about 50m from my house.

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#3061854 12-Apr-2023 12:42

MG have just gained production permission for their version of an EV roadster. No acceleration details released yet, and it's claimed to be limited to between 193-200kmh. NMC battery and quite a weighty beast, 1850-1985kg depending on model. Looking forward to seeing what price point this gets pitched at.

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#3061856 12-Apr-2023 12:44

Dratsab:

I'm looking around to get a V2L adaptor for my MG. I have immediate uses for it at the front of my property which is about 50m from my house.

I asked MG about the V2L adapter, and they said talk to the dealer - who knew nothing.

was thinking of getting a UK one and changing the socket.

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#3061916 12-Apr-2023 15:02

I received an email the other day from Opel NZ offering a double-rebate on the Mocca-e EV. That appears to make the price fairly reasonable for a 50kWh battery EV.

From their web site:

"Opel Mokka-e SRi with double rebate

A bold, original vision of design and technology is taking shape. Are you ready to experience a daringly pure approach that’s taking driving to a whole new level? Discover now the 100% electric Mokka-e.

Available to purchase with double rebate*. That's $8,625 Clean Car Rebate plus an additional $8,625 from Opel. Save $17,250! Only until 31st May or while stocks last.

Test drive today, or speak to your Opel dealer to find out more and arrange an appointment.

The Opel Mokka-e SUV SRi is available from $69,990 + ORC, and with the double rebate offer, the net price becomes $52,740+ ORC.

*Offer only valid whilst the full Government Clean Car Discount of $8,625 for electric vehicles is available and while stocks last, whichever comes sooner. Alternatively, offer must end on 31st May 2023. OPEL NZ reserves the right to modify or cancel this offer at any time. Receive an $8,625 OPEL rebate upon purchase of a new Mokka-e SRi only, and your local OPEL dealership will help you apply for the additional $8,625 discretional Government CCS EV discount. Strictly not in conjunction with any other OPEL NZ or Dealership offer."

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#3061918 12-Apr-2023 15:16

As a pricing battle rages between various EV makers a thought that has occurred in my attempts to gauge pricing for home storage batteries is how much cross subsidisation is occurring between these two sectors which both involve Li-Ion battery componentry to significant degrees?

From what I can see the pricing of Powerwalls is remaining relatively static(?) whereas Tesla is discounting cars across most markets recently. There isn't a lot of pricing detail available on home batteries so difficult to tell if the same situation is happening across BYD's products.

It would be nice to see the same degree of discounting on home batteries as for EVs but if manufacturers are using one to carry the other this may not be the case for the time being at least.

https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/

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